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memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Tue May 05, 2015 3:29 am

Jace-BeOS wrote:Actually, i take that back. It's also important for the ruler lines to match on the measure, too, since that's how I rely on doing visual editing.

But my point is that workarounds for showing correct measure numbers aren't enough if the metronome isn't giving me the right accent beats.

exactly

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Tue May 05, 2015 3:34 am

"Quite often people take something "not so complicated" and complicate it with their extensive knowledge. Simply stated, the top number of a time signature is the number of beats to count in the measure. The bottom number is the note value used to count those beats. So...for a 7/8 ts, count 7 beats in 8th notes. For 5/4, count 5 beats using quarter notes, etc."

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Tue May 05, 2015 3:48 am

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Tue May 05, 2015 3:54 am

chk071 wrote: To be honest, i'm actually wondering how many of the people arguing here pro multiple time signatures really need and use them. I listen to various types of music, and i don't remember a track with multiple time signatures in them. I mean, unless you do classical music, or greek folklore, are there really many genres which feature tempo changes in them?

Multiple time signatures are not an exclusive feature of prog and metal and classical. They are used pretty much in any genre including pop music done by the likes of Beatles, Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel and so on.

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Tue May 05, 2015 4:11 am

tony tony chopper wrote: when someone wanna post a good example of why a sequencer needs timesig changes, he ends up posting something that was made before sequencers existed.

This is how it should work and why a proper implementation is needed.

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Tue May 05, 2015 4:14 am

I think many of the people here do not realize that they are being Gol-trolled. This topic has been discussed to death many times over in Image-Line forums with plenty of great examples. If Gol had spent the time and effort on programming instead of trolling those threads he probably could have implemented all the features already.

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Tue May 05, 2015 4:27 am

memyselfandus wrote:"Quite often people take something "not so complicated" and complicate it with their extensive knowledge. Simply stated, the top number of a time signature is the number of beats to count in the measure. The bottom number is the note value used to count those beats. So...for a 7/8 ts, count 7 beats in 8th notes. For 5/4, count 5 beats using quarter notes, etc."

top number isn't beat. beat is always quarter note in the computer music. Top note is how many tick in the metronome with the rate of the bottom number(= type of notes.) The feeling of beat per minutes will change accordingly with the change of timesig though.

Andywanders · Post by **Andywanders** » Tue May 05, 2015 4:44 am

Earlier in this thread, Andywanders wrote:Firstly I have to say I have a lot of respect for Image-Line...

But after reading some of Gol's comments, that respect has greatly DIMINISHED.

tony tony chopper wrote:makes no sense, to me. Isn't the timesig ALL about the grid?

tony tony chopper wrote:hum.. WHY do you only have "one line for D" - if that's not pure masochism?

tony tony chopper wrote:To the question "what is the difference between sharp notes & flat notes?", the answer was "Actually it depends on the instrument.

tony tony chopper wrote:Is it possibly all it's about, people who do music with timesig changes need a hug?

The man plainly knows nothing about music theory, yet continues to argue his twisted logic with people who do, and makes a fool of himself in the process.

On a lighter NOTE: This is one of the most entertaining threads on KVR this week. Haven't laughed so much in ages.

She Changed Her Mind · Tue May 05, 2015 4:50 am

'Is it possibly all it's about, people who do music with timesig changes need a hug?'
I am sorry for my last posts. My bad. FLS seems to be a great app and hey.. I don't use multiple timesigs anyway.
However, such replies as the above can be tricky; I hope everything is okay with you. And if it is not; I advise you to take a break and try to forget FLS for a while.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Tue May 05, 2015 4:53 am

I would been a great musician but my Sequencer doesn't allow multiple time signatures. So the whole story went into another direction.

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Tue May 05, 2015 7:17 am

memyselfandus wrote:

Aren't those videos, full of technical terms, a proof that there's nothing simple in this?

Talking about the denumerator, that is.
Semibreve, crochet, quaver, minim.. seems insanely cryptical to explain a simple number for a pretty marginal use.

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Tue May 05, 2015 7:20 am

robotmonkey wrote: Multiple time signatures are not an exclusive feature of prog and metal and classical. They are used pretty much in any genre including pop music done by the likes of Beatles, Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel and so on.

it can't be. Those haven't touched a sequencer, thus it's technically impossible for them to do timesig changes, without seeing correct bar numbers on a screen, unless they're wizards or something.

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Tue May 05, 2015 7:21 am

tooneba wrote: top number isn't beat.

in that video, the guy says that it is

so, time sigs officially confuse everyone?

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Tue May 05, 2015 7:27 am

Andywanders wrote: The man plainly knows nothing about music theory

yeah, absolutely nothing. But isn't that also the case of many famous musicians?

Ask yourself if our app would have had much success if we had put all that pointless theory in the face of users, & if newcomers really care about it, seeing that you can make good music without knowing how to read a score sheet.
In fact, it's even probable that not being able to read a score has become the norm for a musician, today.

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