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aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 11:47 am

So I'm not the only one.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:25 pm

hey i wasnt sayin there werent similarities
im just sayin does it really matter if you actually like the music?

Klemperer · Post by **Klemperer** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:47 pm

I like many songs from Tori Amos and have some friends who kill me when I even mention her name. The only CD I regret having bought is "strange little girls", not my piece of cake. I especially like now from the "boys for pele"-album the cembalo-driven track "Blood roses" and the slow but to me wonderful "Not the red baron".
If I had to take something to the island I'd prefer Kate Bush, but I am not asked

. I like them both, maybe Kate Bush more but I agree wholeheartedly here to vurt, it's all about like it or not. Some friends though claim Tori Amos would be slightly arrogant and kick anyone in the face who would even suggest some similarities to Kate Bush, which - would it be true! - would be a ridiculous thing as we all listen to music the way WE want to.
Ah, and at last there seem to be (like with Kate Bush) people who don't like the music at first or second listening, and after some times especially the live-CD (to venus and back) and the studio-CD which comes with "to venus and back" is something they begin to like after a while. Maybe with you too? Don't know.

puerileboy · Post by **puerileboy** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 3:00 pm

Yes Tori Amos has a definate Kate Bush-ness to her style, but I like new music more then once every 6 years. Same thing as Alanis Moresette capitalising on (Lisa) Dalbello's style. When it all comes down there are no new notes, we all are influenced by what we hear.

Karsten Viese · Post by **Karsten Viese** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 3:20 pm

Tori Amos aint exactly easy listening and as such require the audiens to invest a little to get a full return.

Not all people are geared towards this aspects of music, which is why Brittney Spears actually sell CD's.

But like everything else in life, the more you invest the more you are likely to get back.

Without trying to sound too elitist you need to decide for yourself. Are you ready to take this kind of music in or do you need to look elsewhere?

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 5:03 pm

vurt wrote:hey i wasnt sayin there werent similarities
im just sayin does it really matter if you actually like the music?

It doesn't matter if I can find something to like - true. But so far I've still only found that one song.

That one song is so good I am willing to give her more of a chance but I think the "similarities" are too much though in some of the ones I've heard - it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 5:37 pm

aMUSEd wrote:I have to admit I've tended to avoid Tori Amos up till now. As a major Kate Bush fan from back in the seventies when she started out I've felt the few tracks I've heard of her's were far too derivative - not in the way of someone who is influenced by another fine musician - but rather, to me it seemed someone was trying to cash in on her style, and I dislike that sort of exploitation - particularly when it takes advantage of the fact that Kate's music was less well known in the states when Tori Amos started out making it easier for her to maintain the idea it was her own work.

However I also have to admit I'm quite taken with a song of her's I've just heard called "Ruby through the looking glass". Yes it's still very "Kate Bush" - both in terms of style, voice and even lyrical content (even to the point of referring to the "kick inside" - maybe that's intended as ironic) but despite that its so good and so lovely I can't help but love it. And if that's the case I'm asking myself am I missing out on something? I'm open minded enough to be able to admit when I might have not seen the whole picture and now I'd really like to hear some more. So I'd appreciate it if anyone can tell me what to be looking out for - what tracks of Tori Amos's would open my eyes and ears to the best of her music - even better if it can demonstrate to me that she is more than just a pale shadow of Kate Bush.

admittedly I'm a bit late to the party

, but let me answer anyway:

Surely there's some certain analogy between Kate Bush and Tori Amos: both are ladies, both have lovely voices,both accompany themselves with the piano and both posess more that just a tad of sarcasm... - but how could you blame Tori for ripping-off Kate, just because she's about ten years younger (or how much is it?

)? - or let me rephrase
that: should Tori Amos start learning to play the guitar to sound less similar to Kate Bush?

To me both sound rather unique (and thus despite all obvious similarities rather different) and both their songs seem to come from their heart...

personally I gre up more with Tori Amos than with Kate Bush and I love her music for about fiveteen
years now

- so I think yes - you're missing a lot.

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:29 pm

I really want to like Depeche Mode, but they're so obviously derivative of Kraftwerk.

The Beatles are really just a sad immitation of Elvis and Chuck Berry.

The whole EBM genre is just a bunch of Front 242 wanna-be's.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:35 pm

Agreed.

Which is what I was trying to say in my rant, but it's quite possible that nobody bothered to read it.

Greg

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:39 pm

deastman wrote:I really want to like Depeche Mode, but they're so obviously derivative of Kraftwerk.

Are they? - I've never heard Kraftwerk sound so dancy

You're talking about influences - all musicians and composers have influences, that is natural, but if they are genuine they try to express their own voice rather than sound like a direct copy, even though building on foundations laid down by others. Songs like Cornflake Girl remind me more of those bands that sprung up in the wake of innovators like the Beatles to cash in on their sound and success.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:41 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
deastman wrote:I really want to like Depeche Mode, but they're so obviously derivative of Kraftwerk.
Are they? - I've never heard Kraftwerk sound so dancy

You're talking about influences - all musicians and composers have influences, that is natural, but if they are genuine they try to express their own voice rather than sound like a direct copy, even though building on foundations laid down by others. Songs like Cornflake Girl remind me more of those bands that sprung up in the wake of innovators like the Beatles to cash in on their sound and success.

I think it's more in your ears than in her music

Karsten Viese · Post by **Karsten Viese** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 8:12 pm

I think that you should forget all about Tori Amos and move on with your life.

There is so much music and we can't like it all.

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 9:25 pm

Bah. Spoilsport. Don't you realize that the only thing we like to do more than make music is share opinions about music?

It IS only a discussion, even to those participating.

Greg

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:01 pm

And there's nothing better than finding out there are aspects of a performer's work you have missed. Being open to surprises and new horizons makes the enjoyment of music so much better.

DrApostropheX · Post by **DrApostropheX** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:21 pm

Geez... I hope no one accidentally discovers a CD of Nick Cave's music... I can only imagine what they'd say about that

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