KVR Audio

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri May 15, 2015 6:30 pm

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
tony tony chopper wrote:So I think that it's not just a programmer of music software who doesn't need to know music theory, it also applies to musicians.
you really don't need much (if any) theory at all. ever danced a waltz ?? my great grandpa did, and all he knew was you had to count to 3; the rest is just about feel

i think you do your user-base (and your software) a big disservice by protecting these poor lambs from all that theory that threatens to distract them from making 'beatz'. i don't know theory, but i use multiple time signatures often. again, it's a feel thing.

the irony is that supporting multiple sig. changes make it easier for the uninitiated to play with, as the click track provides a solid backbone to work off of....

anyway, just because the feature is there it doesn't mean everyone will use it. i don't use the score editor in logic, but i can appreciate why others would

Well, obviously their user base is not in much need of such things. I would expect the whole discussion to be on a base of "Hey, look! FL Studio still doesn't support this! What a toy!" anyway. I mean, if you need tempo changes, or unusual timings, you're probably better off with another host. So, basically, the FL Studio user base who buys a new version if there is one doesn't seem to need it, otherwise they would simply use something else.

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Fri May 15, 2015 6:33 pm

meh, forget it.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 15, 2015 6:35 pm

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murnau · Post by **murnau** » Fri May 15, 2015 6:37 pm

You guys should get why it's called BPM = BeatsPerMinute then you would know that it's of course quarter notes so spaceman is totally right.

EDiT: I see a plethora of Edits here suddenly. Good sign.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 15, 2015 6:40 pm

Err, as mentioned multiple times already - a beat does NOT always have to be a quarter note. -_-

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Fri May 15, 2015 6:43 pm

murnau wrote:You guys should get why it's called BPM = BeatsPerMinute then you would know that it's of course quarter notes so spaceman is totally right.

EDiT: I see a plethora of Edits here suddenly. Good sign.

I'm probably wrong because you can probably choose the, erm, beat type in some DAWs to tell it that the beat should be an eigth and not a quarter.

You can do this in Logic in the score editor (I presume in Cubase etc. as well), but I don't think you can do it in the main interface.

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In Logic, using an eight as the tempo base simply changes the number BPM number (which is in quarters) accordingly, so 120 become 240 in the score. The metronome sticks to the tempo in the main UI though, ie. the tempo in quarters.

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Fri May 15, 2015 6:44 pm

murnau wrote:EDiT: I see a plethora of Edits here suddenly. Good sign.

I made my edits because I realized I'm arguing with people who don't even have the base level eduction necessary on the topic to engage in the discussion. (and I'm back at it, I can't help myself.)

The issue is that it doesn't matter what you think. The BEAT VALUE of the time signature (the lower number) IS WHAT THE BEAT VALUE IS. That's literally what it means. That's the entire point of the existence of that number.

Everyone else spouting this nonsense about quarter notes needs to take a minute and at least google it. Maybe read a book. Maybe go to music school. Maybe... do something other than argue based on some gut feeling you have.

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Fri May 15, 2015 6:46 pm

spaceman wrote:
murnau wrote:You guys should get why it's called BPM = BeatsPerMinute then you would know that it's of course quarter notes so spaceman is totally right.

EDiT: I see a plethora of Edits here suddenly. Good sign.
I'm probably wrong because you can probably choose the, erm, beat type in some DAWs to tell it that the beat should be an eigth and not a quarter.

You can do this in Logic in the score editor (I presume in Cubase etc. as well), but I don't think you can do it in the main interface.

And in DP, Pro Tools, Cubase, and I'm fairly certain in logic, if you set the metronome's click value to 'beat' in 4/8, the 8th note gets the beat. As it should.

I just tested this in the first 3 DAWs I mentioned. It also works correctly in sibelius and notation.

edit: Nope, Logic acts weird and changes the BPM value? huh?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 15, 2015 6:51 pm

In Reaper, it doesnt' change the BPM when you change timesig denominator - it changes the rate at which the metronome ticks. It works as it should.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Fri May 15, 2015 6:55 pm

FL is foremost for musicians wich have a certain tempo in mind if a track is set to 134BPM for example. This tempo is ofcourse only right if you suppose quarter notes as foundation. Since this is a FL thread you better accept it or keep up arguing theoretical stuff which doesn't count much in here. If you in such a bad need of it then use a sequencer which have the features 99,99% of FL users doesn't miss.

tony tony chopper · Post by **tony tony chopper** » Fri May 15, 2015 7:00 pm

Robert Randolph wrote: I just tested this in the first 3 DAWs I mentioned. It also works correctly in sibelius and notation.

edit: Nope, Logic acts weird and changes the BPM value? huh?

Different sequencers acting differently for something THIS SIMPLE to understand and agree on? Can't be

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Fri May 15, 2015 7:05 pm

EvilDragon wrote:In Reaper, it doesnt' change the BPM when you change timesig denominator - it changes the rate at which the metronome ticks. It works as it should.

In Logic the score is in relation to the BPM in the interface, which is always in quarters. Ie. 60BPM is 120 eights in the score notation. See image..

I can't see any way to make the 'B' in BPM to be anything but quarter notes in Logic.

KingTuck · Post by **KingTuck** » Fri May 15, 2015 7:10 pm

On something of a different note. Gol, could you check the FL Wrapper compatibility with the following Tone2 plugins: Nemesis, Rayblaster and Saurus 2? They all require fixed size buffers to work properly. This obviously seems like an issue on Tone2's part, but I know that Synthmaster also required fixed size buffers until the FL 12 update where it mysteriously stopped needing it to function properly (Synthmaster hadn't been updated since FL 12). That leads me to think that it's possible better compatibility could remove the need for the fixed size buffers and as such, the rather frustrating build up of latency from multiple instances of these plugins.

Of course you'll know this much more than I would. There are demos available on the Tone2 website if you're looking for a way to test them. May be a lost cause but you never know.

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Fri May 15, 2015 7:10 pm

tony tony chopper wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote: I just tested this in the first 3 DAWs I mentioned. It also works correctly in sibelius and notation.

edit: Nope, Logic acts weird and changes the BPM value? huh?
Different sequencers acting differently for something THIS SIMPLE to understand and agree on? Can't be

It is simple to understand. That never means that people will agree though.

Just checked Studio One, and it works as it should. (beat value is the beat in BPM).

So far that means 6/7 work as expected, and I believe I went about it incorrectly in Logic. I will check again shortly.

Edit: Checked Reaper. Works as it should. That's 7/8 now.

Edit 2: Tried in a new Logic Pro X 10.1.1 project and it works as it should. So that's 8/8. The score editor and metronome both work correctly.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Fri May 15, 2015 7:13 pm

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FL Studio 12 Released!