Hive preview (April 1 update)

[-DRASTiC-]

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask about bugs, but there was a bug where control link did not work when using device control in Live. It links correctly with the mouse but when you turn your controller knob it does not move both sides. Just curious, Thanks.

[-DRASTiC-]

A bit surprised I have yet to see any articles about Hive. Other then the forum, there really isn't of coverage on it :O.

We have asked magazines to hold back until we're final - so to be able to judge the full factory bank and final UI (with preferences panel and an alternative skin)

what color is the final ui going to have? would love some bitwig orange and black
i still want pan on sub osc though because its frustrating getting it panned with the main osc when doing bass patch. Also a bypass fx and filter since you wrote it wont be possible with bypass only fx while going through filter. =) just going to main out would be awesome!

I'm afraid I still don't really get what the fuss is about with panning the subs.

If this is just about the sub-bass, why can't people just open up a new instance, make the sub a octave or lower, and voila? you can then record both channels into a new one if you wanted.

Or, even simpler, just use external plugins. I like to use Voxengo LF Max Punch when I want some subby.

Considering that the trend with EDM for a long time now has been very bassy groove-driven genres, I get the appeal. Still, there are workarounds and surely it's not THAT much of a deal breaker.

Of course if there are bigger problems or implications then just making a sub-bass, I'd love to hear them out .

I don't think anyone is saying its a deal breaker. It would just be nice to be able to pan OSC 1 and 2 left and right, while keeping one of the sub oscillators in the center. It wouldn't even need its own pan knob, there could be just a little button that when pushed simply keeps the sub osc in the center. It seems like that wouldn't have anything to do with patches already made because the parameter wouldn't be engaged on those already made patches. But if it can't be done at this point then it is what it is. Urs knows better then we do about what can and can't be done at this point and why. You can almost achieve the same result just by using the oscillators width controls wisely anyway. So it's definitely not a deal breaker regardless. This synth is amazing, it's one of my top 3 soft synths ever, and it's only in beta! Lol.

[takaii]

A bit surprised I have yet to see any articles about Hive. Other then the forum, there really isn't of coverage on it :O.

We have asked magazines to hold back until we're final - so to be able to judge the full factory bank and final UI (with preferences panel and an alternative skin)

what color is the final ui going to have? would love some bitwig orange and black
i still want pan on sub osc though because its frustrating getting it panned with the main osc when doing bass patch. Also a bypass fx and filter since you wrote it wont be possible with bypass only fx while going through filter. =) just going to main out would be awesome!

I'm afraid I still don't really get what the fuss is about with panning the subs.

If this is just about the sub-bass, why can't people just open up a new instance, make the sub a octave or lower, and voila? you can then record both channels into a new one if you wanted.

Or, even simpler, just use external plugins. I like to use Voxengo LF Max Punch when I want some subby.

Considering that the trend with EDM for a long time now has been very bassy groove-driven genres, I get the appeal. Still, there are workarounds and surely it's not THAT much of a deal breaker.

Of course if there are bigger problems or implications then just making a sub-bass, I'd love to hear them out .

Who cares about workarounds! why not MAKE A SYNTH only with one oscillator with no pan and let the mixertrack be the pan isnteed and no internal fx. Kidding but you get the point

I want pan because i want the sub to be able to sit nice in centre. Also sub works as a second oscillator so i dont see why there is no pan. Also it would be nice not to let the harmonics of example a square in middle pan with the rest of the sub with main osc. you cant mid/side eq that away. I know you can use multiple synths and how many you want. The sub isnt allways a sinus wavesape and the idea is not having to use to many synths to load more cpu would be ideal for me and less mixertracks:) Also sub being able to bypass fx and filter is something i want!

Soo i dont see it as a problem. less work with mixing also no need mid/side eq everything and stuff. i only see it as a plus. And like above me now mentioned a button for centre would be nice also. but since you can make it as a second oscillator (not only use for sube) i dont see why there cant be a pan either. i understand you think workflow using many synths is better then having it in one. but not for me or many others

[Shiek927]

As handy as saving OSC/LFO/envelope/etc settings are, I think there should be an option in the drop-down menu to go to a folder with more settings. I don't know if there is a limit to how many settings you can actually save, and I don't want to find out ^^.

[Urs]

As handy as saving OSC/LFO/envelope/etc settings are, I think there should be an option in the drop-down menu to go to a folder with more settings. I don't know if there is a limit to how many settings you can actually save, and I don't want to find out ^^.

I wanted to first see where it goes. Of course we could do this with a proper browser, like we did in Zebra. But then, how many ADSR envelope presets will one ever need?

[Shiek927]

As handy as saving OSC/LFO/envelope/etc settings are, I think there should be an option in the drop-down menu to go to a folder with more settings. I don't know if there is a limit to how many settings you can actually save, and I don't want to find out ^^.

I wanted to first see where it goes. Of course we could do this with a proper browser, like we did in Zebra. But then, how many ADSR envelope presets will one ever need?

It certainly makes things quick . I can organize my favorite settings by genre. That's already how I organize my patches: I make a list of genres and put them into each one if it suits it (as well as if I used them in a specific song).

Now that I think about it, I remember Zebra now: you could organize and save Osc and MSEG settings with a browser. I honestly would like something like that for Hive, but that's just me ^^.

[troxx]

This is just query regarding Hive CPU usage.

This is my system spec,
OS: Win 8.1 64bit
CPU: i7-3630QM 2.40 Quad Core
16GB RAM

I'm running Presonus Studio One 2 Producer & I open 1 instance of Hive & CPU when idle is at 5%, when I load a preset (acidity) and hit a 3 note chord, CPU generally peaks at approx 8-10% on this instance. I loaded 20 instances of Hive with the same preset and CPU reached a peak of 20%.
Now, I also loaded one of Howard Scarr's presets named 'HS Butterfly Cave' a single instance 3 note chord peaked at 25%?
I loaded this preset into the same 20 instances CPU sat idle at 15% played the same 3 note chord and CPU peaked at 76% yikes!

Should I be seeing this sort of dramatic CPU difference between presets with Hive being super efficient and CPU light, have other users experienced anything similar?

As a test I opened 20 instances of Omnisphere with CPU idle at only 5%, I ran the same 3 note chord through 20 instances of the Omnisphere plugin, which can be very CPU intensive and CPU only peaked at 27%.

Is there a fair test I can run, to check Hive is running o.k on my system? Could this be an issue with Studio One?

[EvilDragon]

Studio One unfortunately isn't one of the more CPU efficient DAWs around...

[Upright]

Is still an option to get a discount or is $99 the discounted price?

[ere2learn]

99 is the discounted price

[Upright]

99 is the discounted price

Got it ....thanks.

[troxx]

Studio One unfortunately isn't one of the more CPU efficient DAWs around...

Oh dear, spouse il have to wait til S1 3.

It's funny tho, I've got another project running an instance of Hive & ANA, cpu again runs quite high for only a couple of vsts, soon as I disable Hive, cpu drops instantly.

Might have to download a trial of another DAW to test, see if it's something to do with my PC

[Upright]

For what it's worth, I'm getting great CPU performance running Hive. Serum however, not so good.

[yemski]

Just bought Hive after writing close to 220 patches and using it in about 4 tunes.
Wicked synth. Loving it for bass especially. Getting a lot of different flavours with the Arp/Seq as well. I didn't expect to like a synth with such a limited feature set, when compared to say Spectral, Serum or Dune 2, quite this much. A wider range of basic waveforms would be a plus, as well as FM, Ringmod, Sync, (possibly single cycle wave form import), but the the tonal shaping I've got from the different filters styles, various detune modes and knowing how to drive the Filter input in various ways has lead to a lot of varied timbres that I was not expecting.

One possible bug I've noticed: Nothing happens when I use Sequencer gate as a destination. I've put every possible mod in it's direction, but at present, there is no effect from modulating this destination.

[yemski]

For what it's worth, I'm getting great CPU performance running Hive. Serum however, not so good.

Yep. Serum pretty much sucks for those of us with older computers. As it is, I either use it for leads and basses or resample the more cpu crushing stuff like pads. In a lemonade from lemons way, this has lead to lots of further experimentation with the resampling thing, but I would like to be able to use it in the way I do other synths as well. I suppose I'll just have save my pennies and buy a new comp. Hive though is great and has a sonic clarity I normally associate with more cpu intensive instruments, packing a lot of punch with a surprising small use of resources.