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[fluffy_little_something]

I see Personally, I would not browse patches with all effects off because those effects are internal ones so whichever individual effects are turned on or off in a given patch, that is how it is supposed to sound. But that is just me...
In fact, if the fx switch is global, you should make the volume knob global as well because fx on or off can impact the volume a lot, for instance reverb makes the sound quieter, compressor can make it a whole lot louder. Not to mention that some patches are way too loud to begin with.
Possible solution: I would make the fx switch per patch by default, and add a Global item in the settings, where one can choose from the four options None, FX, Output, FX + Output.
On the GUI what is global could be indicated by bright red lighting (instead of amber or blue) or a little red lock symbol at the FX switch and Output knob.

[basslinemaster]

Will have to watch the tutorials to see what secrets have alluded me, thanks Urs.

"eluded"

[fluffy_little_something]

In the browser the arrow keys always skip one, i.e. they select for instance the 3rd or 5th or 7th line or column.

Nope, not over here.


Filters in Hive are so much better sounding than Sylenth's, BTW.

Strange, I have to see where I can change that, maybe it has to do with settings in Windows.


I don't think the filters sound that much better, they sound different, though. In fact I am not sure I can sell Sylenth because I have not figured out how to make Hive sound like Sylenth.

The panorama also works differently: on Hive I have to use both oscillators if I want to make it sound wide, with Sylenth I can do that within just one layer (which is Osc1 plus Sub1 in Hive). That difference extends to detuning. In this respect (panorama, wave stacking etc.) Sylenth is hard to beat because it is simple yet very effective and flexible.
In Sylenth one can also pick a different number of waves for what would be Osc and Sub in Hive. In Hive the number of Sub waves is probably inherited from the main osc.

Actually, I think the whole idea of a sub-oscillator is a bit outdated. Maybe it made sense with hardware in order to save components, but with software it makes more sense to use full oscillators and detuning them as needed.

[fluffy_little_something]

Oddly, the Dirty engine sounds the best to me, and cleaner than the Normal engine where there is some lower-frequency noise, especially on chords.

[Chapelle]

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[Urs]

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There are already two controls:

There are on/off switches for effects that save with preset
There is a global on/off switch that allows fx-free preset browsing

Adding a third control would be a usuability nightmare

It doesn't bother me much, but wouldn't it be possible to implement the "Lock"-feature for this switch, so the users who want to turn the FX off while patch browsing simply could set the switch to off and lock it in this state? Then there would be no need for a third control.

You can already lock the FX-section - but then of course it doesn't load the FX order from the preset.

[Chapelle]

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[Urs]

What I meant was to make the FX-bypass switch to behave as a "normal" parameter that changes while patch browsing and make it lockable, so that those who want the switch to change when you load a different patch can do that and those who want to browse patches with FX turned off can do that as well by setting the switch to 'off' and locking it in this state.

I'll think about it

[zvenx]

I must be missing something in this FX bypass convo.
I actually didnt' realise that the FX bypass is global for instance.
But doesn't that allow both camps to be happy?
If you want to flick thru presets with their effects, you leave EFFECTS on.
if you want to flick thru presets without effects, you leave it off.

what other scenario am I missing?

thanks
rsp

[fluffy_little_something]

Well, I simply want to hear patches exactly the way the sound designer meant them to sound.
How do I even know whether a given patch I load was saved with FX on or off when that switch is on or off all the time unless I manually toggle it?

[zvenx]

I imagine if you use a fresh instance and just browse presets you should be good.
no?
rsp

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

lovely looking synth

are ronan mcdonald and dan worrall brother's from another mother ?? if imitation is the best form of flattery, then dan must be dying in humble embarrassment

[fluffy_little_something]

I imagine if you use a fresh instance and just browse presets you should be good.
no?
rsp

It seems that when loading Hive, it starts with an init patch which has the global FX on, but all individual effects off. So any new patch I load will have effects on even if it was intended to have no effects on. Maybe the global effect switch is not even saved in patches in the first place. In other words, if you don't want effects in your patch, you have to turn them all off individually.
It is just a different logic I suppose. For some reason my intuition goes like this: When I experiment around with effects, turning some on or off, combining them in new ways, etc., or when modifying a factory preset I tend to just leave the individual effects on or off and when I think the patch sounds better all dry, I save it after switching the global FX off. But if that is not even saved, of course it matters how the individual ones were set.


Anyway, change the thread title -> intro offer has ended

[HcDoom]

I already made some of the tracks with beta version...will updating the synth change the sound of the presets Ive made? I hope not...

[fluffy_little_something]

Is it just me or are main and sub osc's always slightly detuned inside? Just wondering because I don't get a simple saw on the signal analyzer, but always a more complex one, which might explain why it sounds fatter