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musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:41 pm

Hi yellukhan,

yes, that is normal. Changing the note parameters is a 'destructive' operation because the new note will be a different one, and there is no way to return to the original.
However if there is demand for it, another note mapping could be added, like "Bass note+scale steps". You could convert all selected notes to be bass relative, and by using that the notes themselves do not change.

I hope it is a well known fact that you can choose an option in the 'note mapping' menu at the top, which is then applied to selected notes without changing the notes. So you can turn chord notes to scale notes, or absolute notes to chord relative notes, etc.

Thanks,
Attila

max.noise · Post by **max.noise** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:23 pm

Hello Attila,
great additions to the phrase editor, but I also think the behaviour is not yet optimal.
The notes are transposed when switching them from chord notes to scale steps or from absolute to chord notes or scale notes.
Simple example: I am starting with a 3 voice chord C-E-G which consists of the resp. chord notes, as soon as I try to switch these notes to scale notes I get 3x C (first scale note), the E and the G are transposed down. I would expect - or I would even say it's a must- that all notes remain where they are, only change their type from Ch(L+1) to III, from Ch(L+2 to V and so on.
I hope this is clear enough, if not, I can make some screen shots.
At the moment it only works when switching to absolute notes, then the notes are not transposed.
I understand the behaviour that the notes don't remember their "history" when switched to bass note, but with all other note types they must keep their position.
Besides that 'Bass note + scale step' sounds interesting.

All the best, Max.

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:21 am

Hello Max,

thank you for your post.
If you want to convert the notes between absolute<->chord relative<->scale relative without unwanted transposition, you need to use the 'Note Mapping' menu at the top of the editor (on selected notes).

Since two expert users complained about this, now I see that this will cause confusion, so I fixed it. Whenever you change the "note kind", the notes will not be transposed. Please try the new beta version, v2.9b16 (I know it is hard to follow...)

Thanks,
Attila

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:24 am

New beta version (v2.9b16) uploaded:

Changes:

Articulations menu works in the note inspector
"Add Selected Notes To Clipboard" added to note inspector
New note mappings: "Bass note+semitones" and "Bass note+scale steps"
"Chord Notes [+scale steps or semitones]" removed from note mapping options as it did not prove to be useful
Improved behaviour: when the note kind is changed in the note inspector, the notes won't be transposed
Note inspector is updated after moving notes

forrestlong · Post by **forrestlong** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:50 am

Hi Attila,

Looks great! Now that the Articulation field does not throw an error, what will this be populated with (or what can we populate this with) in the future? (legato, staccato, tenuto, marcato, etc. ?)

Thanks,
Forrest

yellukhan · Post by **yellukhan** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:07 pm

Hi There,
Add Interval Variation "Octave" ( track and phrase same ) gives this result :
am i missing something?

lulukom · Post by **lulukom** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:01 pm

Hello Attila!
Is it possible to make switch from Phrase Editing Mode to Note Editing MOde and vice versa , not to change the vertical
zoom ?
Thanks !

lulukom · Post by **lulukom** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:08 pm

Remove

max.noise · Post by **max.noise** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:57 pm

Hi Attila,
just checked the behaviour in beta16. I think this is much more consistent, less confusing and how one would expect the program to react.
Thank you for being so responsive and for having an open ear for your customers.
Also thank you for considering me an "expert user"

All the best, Max

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:47 pm

forrestlong wrote:Hi Attila,

Looks great! Now that the Articulation field does not throw an error, what will this be populated with (or what can we populate this with) in the future? (legato, staccato, tenuto, marcato, etc. ?)

Thanks,
Forrest

Hi Forrest,

You can use articulations in .rcCTRL files, prepared for your virtual instrument. You need to set it in the track inspector, the note inspector uses the articulations defined in the track. An articulation can be assigned to a note, a phrase, and even a track can have a default articulation. An articulation is a key-switch, or a controller message, or both, defined in the .rcCTRL file.

There are several files included, although for older libraries. I can help preparing such a file (which is a simple text file) if needed.

Example:

Thanks,
Attila

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:23 pm

yellukhan wrote:Hi There,
Add Interval Variation "Octave" ( track and phrase same ) gives this result :
am i missing something?

Good point! The 'Add Interval' works by adding scale steps instead of semitones, because this is what makes sense. However for scales having more than 7 notes, this does not work perfectly. An octave should be an octave, so I fixed now the octave offset. Other offsets should be interpreted as 'one scale step above' for 'Second above', 'two scale steps above' for 'Third above', etc. E.g. on the chromatic scale 'Third above' would be two semitones above...

Thanks for noticing this issue!
Attila

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:33 pm

lulukom wrote:Hello Attila!
Is it possible to make switch from Phrase Editing Mode to Note Editing MOde and vice versa , not to change the vertical
zoom ?
Thanks !

Hello lulukom!
No, I am afraid the zoom is calculated automatically so that all notes can be displayed. Because some phrases may have more notes defined than what is rendered, the zoom factor will be different in Note Editing Mode.
If you think of an acoustic guitar phrase that uses 6 chord notes, it is possible that you see only 3 notes in a track where keyboard chords are used instead of guitar chords. In Note Editing Mode all notes are displayed, even those that are ignored and not rendered in Phrase Editing Mode.

Thanks,
Attila

tonedef71 · Post by **tonedef71** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:03 pm

Hello Attila:

There are some issues with playback in the Phrase Editor. If I click the play button while the phrase is playing, instead of the previous playback being stopped, another instance of playback begins and overlaps the original instance of playback. This behavior repeats for each click of the play button. Now, if I were composing a "Round" or "Canon", this might be useful, but the behavior I was expecting is for the play button to function as a stop button that ceases playback and rewinds the invisible playhead. Perhaps a stop button should be added to the Phrase Editor with a click behavior that is consistent with that of the stop button in the composition window.

Are there still plans in the works to add a scrolling playhead cursor to the Phrase Editor?

Also, should phrase playback be allowed while composition playback is happening? The way it works today in RC, composition playback and phrase playback are allowed to happen concurrently.

--Tony

tonedef71 · Post by **tonedef71** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:14 pm

Hello Attila:

I noticed that when I use the "Quantize Selected Notes" feature in the Note Inspector dialog within the Phrase Editor, whatever note duration I have selected is lost after I press the "Quantize Selected Notes" button; it always reverts back to "Quarter Note":

I am thinking most users would prefer that the quantize duration maintain its user-selected value until changed again by the user, or until the Note Inspector dialog window is closed.

--Tony

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:37 pm

tonedef71 wrote:Hello Attila:

There are some issues with playback in the Phrase Editor. If I click the play button while the phrase is playing, instead of the previous playback being stopped, another instance of playback begins and overlaps the original instance of playback.

Hi Tony,

thank you! I did not realize that preview does not work well when using a MIDI output port. I fixed not just that but also another problem with phrase preview when it always sent MIDI events to the default MIDI device regardless of other settings.

tonedef71 wrote:Are there still plans in the works to add a scrolling playhead cursor to the Phrase Editor?

Yes, but these plans are postponed a bit.

tonedef71 wrote:Also, should phrase playback be allowed while composition playback is happening? The way it works today in RC, composition playback and phrase playback are allowed to happen concurrently.

That is true, these are independent, but I don't think it is an issue.

Thanks,
Attila

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