I must say I am a bit dissapointed after having purchased Zero-G's Vocal Factory Library. This library apparently has been praised by several magazines etc. but when I heard the different samples I was stunned by the lack of quality.
In my ears these singers' voices seem very fragile like they haven't got any "excess" left besides screaming the different vocal phrases out. Some of them even sing false sometimes. Some of the female phrases are usable but the male voices sound horrible. In general the singers don't have a constant tempo but are phrasing up and down making it hard (for me at least) to make them fit in a song.
Maybe the phrasing "problem" is due to my lack of experience of using vocal libraries. Maybe I don't know how to chop the samples up so they get useful but the lack of "surplus" from the different voices are something that can't be dealt with.
Are there any libraries around in the dance/pop genre where the singers have a very high quality?
Another thing I don't get is the reason for putting full vocal songs with verse, chorus, bridge and so on in the library. Why would anyone want to build instruments for a song already made? That's like using Magix Musicmaker where you just put loops together that fits each other. Anybody can do that. You don't have to be a musician to glue loops from an already made song.
Thanks
Suggestions for vocal libraries where the singers can actually sing
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- KVRAF
- 5622 posts since 23 Aug, 2014 from Boston/Cambridge
Right on, Hans.
So I'm wondering which libraries would be better. Large ones like EastWest, medium sized ones such as SoundIron, and smaller ones like Bela D Media all have different approaches. Would like to read up on a broad comparison of all vocal libraries.
So I'm wondering which libraries would be better. Large ones like EastWest, medium sized ones such as SoundIron, and smaller ones like Bela D Media all have different approaches. Would like to read up on a broad comparison of all vocal libraries.
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- KVRAF
- 2210 posts since 20 Sep, 2013 from Poland
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- KVRian
- 628 posts since 18 May, 2010
If you are classically oriented, look at Voices of Prague: choir and soloists. For me it works, but it might not fit your bill. Their website (https://www.virharmonic.com/) isn't accessible now, so I can't give you a direct link.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1686 posts since 22 Feb, 2005
SoundIron maybe? I didn't know them but they look interesting. The only thing is that I would like to have voices in the dance / edm genre. Hasn't East West only got choirs for classical stuff etc.? I will check out Bela D Media. Don't know them eitherFleer wrote:Right on, Hans.
So I'm wondering which libraries would be better. Large ones like EastWest, medium sized ones such as SoundIron, and smaller ones like Bela D Media all have different approaches. Would like to read up on a broad comparison of all vocal libraries.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1686 posts since 22 Feb, 2005
Well actually I'm beginning to think that Vocaloids in general are better singers than the ones available for dance musicDSmolken wrote:Realivox Blue, Vocaloid or UTAU?
.Realivox Blue is a good library but more for movie-scoring than Dance and EDM which are what I'm looking for. Thanks for the suggestions
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1686 posts since 22 Feb, 2005
Thanks but I was looking for dance EDM voicesFLWrd wrote:If you are classically oriented, look at Voices of Prague: choir and soloists. For me it works, but it might not fit your bill. Their website (https://www.virharmonic.com/) isn't accessible now, so I can't give you a direct link.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1686 posts since 22 Feb, 2005
Ok I actually found two libraries that I like from Ueberschall - that is:
The Voice Vol. 1 & Vol. 2 http://www.bestservice.de/en/the_voice_vol_1.html
The singers are better than what else I have come across.
If any of you find them interesting I actually made a post for a 30% discount right now for Uberschall libraries but it's a japanese company that has them on sale (downloads) so it's a little bit harder to purchase than normal. I found a way to do it though:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 5#p6158777
The Voice Vol. 1 & Vol. 2 http://www.bestservice.de/en/the_voice_vol_1.html
The singers are better than what else I have come across.
If any of you find them interesting I actually made a post for a 30% discount right now for Uberschall libraries but it's a japanese company that has them on sale (downloads) so it's a little bit harder to purchase than normal. I found a way to do it though:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 5#p6158777
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- KVRAF
- 2210 posts since 20 Sep, 2013 from Poland
So many different approaches to sampling vocals. It's very much the frontier of sampling.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1686 posts since 22 Feb, 2005
What do you mean? That voice sampling has a long way to go before it "matures" or?DSmolken wrote:So many different approaches to sampling vocals. It's very much the frontier of sampling.
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- KVRAF
- 2210 posts since 20 Sep, 2013 from Poland
It's more difficult than any instrument to sample if you want to both be able to sing any lyrics you want and fool listeners into thinking it's a real singer. There's a lot of work that still needs to be done.
I have some samples recorded that I want to use to make a female death metal voice bank for UTAU. We'll see how that goes.
I have some samples recorded that I want to use to make a female death metal voice bank for UTAU. We'll see how that goes.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1686 posts since 22 Feb, 2005
I know I know. The voice is the most advanced instrument there is. It's always a trade of between making it sound real and singing anything - that's true.DSmolken wrote:It's more difficult than any instrument to sample if you want to both be able to sing any lyrics you want and fool listeners into thinking it's a real singer. There's a lot of work that still needs to be done.
I have some samples recorded that I want to use to make a female death metal voice bank for UTAU. We'll see how that goes.
"Female death metal"?! Did you sample your wife while she yelled at you because you didn't take the dishes?
. By the way how is UTAU compared to Vocaloid besides the open source difference?
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- KVRian
- 1158 posts since 6 Jan, 2015 from London, England
A search for "EDM vocal acapella" can turn up stuff like Sampleism's EDM Vocal Phrases. While you're on that site, you might like to look at Singers and Singers 2 which are great for backing vocals, though they require the full version of Kontakt 5 (they'll work for 15 minutes with Kontakt 5 Player, though).
If I'm looking for phrases or words for EDM I tend to go to Looperman. It seems to be down right now (for me, anyway) but it's worth trying again. Click the link for acapellas then search for 'female' or 'male' accordingly.
If I'm looking for phrases or words for EDM I tend to go to Looperman. It seems to be down right now (for me, anyway) but it's worth trying again. Click the link for acapellas then search for 'female' or 'male' accordingly.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1686 posts since 22 Feb, 2005
Thanks a lot for those tips. I will check them out and get back!garryknight wrote:A search for "EDM vocal acapella" can turn up stuff like Sampleism's EDM Vocal Phrases. While you're on that site, you might like to look at Singers and Singers 2 which are great for backing vocals, though they require the full version of Kontakt 5 (they'll work for 15 minutes with Kontakt 5 Player, though).
If I'm looking for phrases or words for EDM I tend to go to Looperman. It seems to be down right now (for me, anyway) but it's worth trying again. Click the link for acapellas then search for 'female' or 'male' accordingly.
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- KVRian
- 1094 posts since 13 Mar, 2008 from Arnhem, Netherlands
I've always liked the sound of Black Octopus' libraries. Especially Veela...