Suggestions for vocal libraries where the singers can actually sing

[bigcat1969]

Just for the halibut, try the Dman's vocal stuff while you search for 'the perfect solution'. It's free and it will make you smile and/or scream in terror. Try my Kontakt version to make me forget about my VSTi disaster and give me at least one pageview today...
http://www.karoryfer.com/karoryfer-samp ... merry-orks
http://bigcatinstruments.blogspot.com/2 ... -orks.html

[DSmolken]

I know I know. The voice is the most advanced instrument there is. It's always a trade of between making it sound real and singing anything - that's true.

"Female death metal"?! Did you sample your wife while she yelled at you because you didn't take the dishes? .

By the way how is UTAU compared to Vocaloid besides the open source difference?

We're really, really good at picking up on something in a human voice sounding wrong - being able to tell somebody is lacking confidence, trying to sound less angry than they really are, or genuinely desperate. Sometimes that's literally the difference between life and death. We don't need to be as good at picking up on something in a hi-hat sounding wrong, so we aren't.

The death metal thing was really just a matter of convenience. I'm not even into metal. I figured it's easier to get away with a lack of realism when the vocals don't sound too natural in the first place, plus pretty much ignore pitch. And it's female death metal because I don't know any male death metal vocalists. Kind of like my favorite movie director Albert Pyun making post-apocalyptic cyborg movies not because he's got any interest in post-apocalyptic settings or cyborgs, but because it's easier and locations don't cost much.

I've never actually used Vocaloid, so can't help you there, but I'm fascinated by the whole area.

[Hans25]

A search for "EDM vocal acapella" can turn up stuff like Sampleism's EDM Vocal Phrases. While you're on that site, you might like to look at Singers and Singers 2 which are great for backing vocals, though they require the full version of Kontakt 5 (they'll work for 15 minutes with Kontakt 5 Player, though).

If I'm looking for phrases or words for EDM I tend to go to Looperman. It seems to be down right now (for me, anyway) but it's worth trying again. Click the link for acapellas then search for 'female' or 'male' accordingly.

Ok I look at the Singers 1 and 2. They are very cheap and sounds good. I migth buy them. I scrolled through looperman. There was some interesting stuff and it's all for free so that's nice.

[Hans25]

Just for the halibut, try the Dman's vocal stuff while you search for 'the perfect solution'. It's free and it will make you smile and/or scream in terror. Try my Kontakt version to make me forget about my VSTi disaster and give me at least one pageview today...
http://www.karoryfer.com/karoryfer-samp ... merry-orks
http://bigcatinstruments.blogspot.com/2 ... -orks.html

Interesting thanks. I'm not sure my music fits for that .

[Hans25]

We're really, really good at picking up on something in a human voice sounding wrong - being able to tell somebody is lacking confidence, trying to sound less angry than they really are, or genuinely desperate. Sometimes that's literally the difference between life and death. We don't need to be as good at picking up on something in a hi-hat sounding wrong, so we aren't.

The death metal thing was really just a matter of convenience. I'm not even into metal. I figured it's easier to get away with a lack of realism when the vocals don't sound too natural in the first place, plus pretty much ignore pitch. And it's female death metal because I don't know any male death metal vocalists. Kind of like my favorite movie director Albert Pyun making post-apocalyptic cyborg movies not because he's got any interest in post-apocalyptic settings or cyborgs, but because it's easier and locations don't cost much.

I've never actually used Vocaloid, so can't help you there, but I'm fascinated by the whole area.

Well a bad instruments player can be picked on too . But I like your argument about convenience. At least it's better than pretending.

[Hans25]

I've always liked the sound of Black Octopus' libraries. Especially Veela...

Thanks I'm checking them out. She isn't that bad actually - the girl in Veela

Edit: Ok I took the chance and purchased the library. The only think I don't like is the constructions kit thing with everything ready but that just my taste. It's not exactly sophisticated poetry either but well who cares on the dance floor? . Maybe I will change my mind when I chop everything up.

[garryknight]

Ok I look at the Singers 1 and 2. They are very cheap and sounds good. I migth buy them. I scrolled through looperman. There was some interesting stuff and it's all for free so that's nice.

If you do buy Singers, remember that they require Kontakt 5, and will only work for 15 minutes at a time in Kontakt 5 Player. The workaround is to remove Kontakt from the track and add it again. A bit of a pain, and very slow, but at least it works. Or should do, depending on your DAW.

And the thing about looperman is that it can take some time finding a singer whose voice fits your music. But if you're chopping it, that might not be so important.

She isn't that bad actually - the girl in Veela

She isn't that bad? Just bad enough, eh?

Veela is a Canadian singer whose real name is Victoria Burnett. She started out with a Celtic style and produces her own albums as well as doing some DJing. She also composes and sings lyrics for other producers, and is well known in the trance world. Lots of people want her to sing on their tracks.

Here's her YouTube channel:

By the way, I don't know if you noticed but a link to this just popped up in the Market Place forum: Clara's Vocal Library for Kontakt. It's donationware, and it sounds fantastic. Check out Clara's Vocal Phrase138 D#m Trance.nki, but they're all very usable.

[Hans25]

If you do buy Singers, remember that they require Kontakt 5, and will only work for 15 minutes at a time in Kontakt 5 Player. The workaround is to remove Kontakt from the track and add it again. A bit of a pain, and very slow, but at least it works. Or should do, depending on your DAW.

Thanks I have the full Kontakt 5 version so no worries.

And the thing about looperman is that it can take some time finding a singer whose voice fits your music. But if you're chopping it, that might not be so important.

True there might be something interesting.

She isn't that bad? Just bad enough, eh?

Veela is a Canadian singer whose real name is Victoria Burnett. She started out with a Celtic style and produces her own albums as well as doing some DJing. She also composes and sings lyrics for other producers, and is well known in the trance world. Lots of people want her to sing on their tracks.

Here's her YouTube channel:

Well I'm so sorry if I sound a bit unimpressed . It's not my intention to offend anyone. In general I just find that in any dance, pop and rock genre the weakest link is always the singer. In my opinion the big part of being a singer in a rockband seems to be show off and having rockstar attitude. Or in pop or dance it's to be good looking and well dancing more than a good singer. Because Autotune will anyway correct the mistakes and when having a concert you can just use playback.

I wish there would be less show off and time used in front of the mirrors in those genres and more time spent on practicing.

The more "classical" or "jazzy" it gets - the better the singers will be. I believe singers In general in those genres have another mentality and approach to music. In classical music the competition is very high and the market very small so it's only the best that make it. And the main thing for them is to sing live. The phrases and "songs" are so demanding that it's impossible to sing without having a high skill level. It would be so valuable if some of these singers were hired to sing in the other genres.

I don't think that Veela is a fantastic singer. Her voice is rather "thin" or fragile like many others but she does sing in "tune" and not false and her tempo is stable so she is probably better than average in the genre. This is of course just my humble opinion. It's just the way I see it .

By the way, I don't know if you noticed but a link to this just popped up in the Market Place forum: Clara's Vocal Library for Kontakt. It's donationware, and it sounds fantastic. Check out Clara's Vocal Phrase138 D#m Trance.nki, but they're all very usable.

No I didn't thanks a lot. I'll check it out.

[garryknight]

I don't think that Veela is a fantastic singer. Her voice is rather "thin" or fragile like many others but she does sing in "tune" and not false and her tempo is stable so she is probably better than average in the genre. This is of course just my humble opinion. It's just the way I see it .

Seems like a fair opinion.

[Hans25]

Seems like a fair opinion.

. That's good to hear.

[DSmolken]

In general I just find that in any dance, pop and rock genre the weakest link is always the singer.

Finding a vocal sample library you'll like in a genre whose vocals you don't like is going to be tough, but what pop singer do you sort of tolerate? Maybe that could help us point you in the right direction?