So You Think Apple Isn't Evil?

[Jace-BeOS]

I do take issue with "pushing us around." How are they pushing anyone around? They're just trying to make things that people like. I don't feel pushed. Also, think back to pre iPhone smartphones. They sucked. All of them sucked. They were not very smart, and they were crappy phones. Call it what you want, but the iPhone changed everything. The only reason there are any good non Apple phones out there is because they now have someone to copy and compete with. I'll totally get the next generation of iPhone, not because I feel pushed into doing so, but because I've yet to be really let down by one. They're not perfect, but my Apple hater friend has been through phones from every other major manufacturer and all he does is complain about them as well.

Fully agreed, actually. Lots of the pushing has been critically important to getting the damned tech industry to grow the hell up just a little bit. But Apple has tripped and fallen now. I'm not seeing a return to form yet. Maybe the obsessive nature of Jobs was really the necessary ingredient. I don't know. I didn't like the man as a human being. I do think he was exactly right for kicking the tech industry in the balls, though. It needs another swift kick or three. Computer tech sucks. We have all become so conditioned to excusing its myriad fundamental flaws and I want that to stop. Apple fell off that path with iOS 7.

I wouldn't buy any other phone or tablet though. I'm still hoping the iPad pro is where I start my iPad experience... if it doesn't turn me off like 45 minutes with iOS 7 at an Apple store did for the iPad Air 2.

[Daags]

In a related story, Taylor kicks Lars' a$$

http://www.billboard.com/articles/colum ... h-analysis

I read the whole thing thinking 'why the hell does the writer keep pitching it as Lars VS Napster ? doesn't he realise Lars brought the personal info of hundreds of thousands of Metallica fans to court ?' ... and it was finally mentioned briefly at the end. I think the writer should have made more of that point.

as far as taylor goes, I'm not sure I buy the whole idea that she's just doing it for the little guy ...
she gets *huge* amounts of hits on streaming services, take youtube ...
She released a track just a month ago and it's got 237,540,699 as of this moment.
The 'shake it off' video has been online about 10 months and it's got 885,824,960 right now.

They are huge numbers even in comparison to other big pop stars. Nicki Minaj has to engage in softcore porn to get about half that in the same amount of time (Anaconda) ...or play the long game (Super Bass, youtube video online since 2011 and only at the half-way mark to hitting Taylor numbers)

Maybe I'm out of touch and overlooking other big names in the mainstream/pop world. But it seems to me Taylor has a huge vested interest in streaming revenue. I mean, it's obvious, right ?

[Robmobius]

Apple has been cracking down on such labor violations.

If they have there's only one reason for it... Their practices are under the microscope again. Makes them look like they care - Public image and all.

[Daags]

Apple has been cracking down on such labor violations.

If they have there's only one reason for it... Their practices are under the microscope again. Makes them look like they care - Public image and all.

with that kind of attitude they can't win.

if they do nothing, they're callous.
if they do something, they're cynical.

lose/lose.

[Jace-BeOS]

Apple has been cracking down on such labor violations.

If they have there's only one reason for it... Their practices are under the microscope again. Makes them look like they care - Public image and all.

True. It's hard to pick among many important battles. It's harder to accept a bad incentive to do good. I'm particularly pissy about companies throwing "green" this and "green" that all over the place as if they give a shit. They reduce packaging waste for greater profit, not environmental reasons. My environmental activist companion says that money is actually a very successful cause for improving things that end up being better for the environment. It's sick, but we have to take the good even if it smells bad.

On top of that... The comment just above me

[Robmobius]

Apple has been cracking down on such labor violations.

If they have there's only one reason for it... Their practices are under the microscope again. Makes them look like they care - Public image and all.

with that kind of attitude they can't win.

if they do nothing, they're callous.
if they do something, they're cynical.

lose/lose.

Why would I want apple to 'win'? Prove to me that they actually care.

But don't worry D-D-Daags... It's just first world problems my dear boy, as you pointed out to me earlier on.

Oh and, I do wish people would learn to use their capital letters. Haw haw...

[Robmobius]

Apple has been cracking down on such labor violations.

If they have there's only one reason for it... Their practices are under the microscope again. Makes them look like they care - Public image and all.

True. It's hard to pick among many important battles. It's harder to accept a bad incentive to do good. I'm particularly pissy about companies throwing "green" this and "green" that all over the place as if they give a shit. They reduce packaging waste for greater profit, not environmental reasons. My environmental activist companion says that money is actually a very successful cause for improving things that end up being better for the environment. It's sick, but we have to take the good even if it smells bad.

On top of that... The comment just above me

I agree with you... Companies use any means necessary to look good. Being 'green' is very trendy at the moment, so is recycling. If people really understood some of the costs involved, and how their money is being used they'd ask themselves some serious questions (hopefully). But we live in a lie.

However, if apple are tightening up their previous bad labor practices that's really cool. Nobody wants kids (or anyone) working in poor conditions. It really should be enforced by some government mandate. But we are virtually back to square one. Chicken and the egg. Government in league with big business.

To be honest, I see anyone who reaps huge huge profits, such as any megacorp they are at best imo, agnostic to the public or most of the time psychopathic.

[Daags]

the only thing I'm interested in proving is that you'll bitch about them either way. which, i think, is quite obvious.

oh noes, da evil psyciosociopath filth corporation of vatican vampires iz making my batteries drain faster n not paying da taxes so's i donts get enuffs dole to buy da upgrade... such evil!

[Jax Pok]

Apple offering other peoples work for free is the same as running a pirate film download site. Apple makes 8.3 million per day but didn't want to pay the ones who make their music library a few pence each per day.

Now the big question did Apple and Taylor Swift meet and plan all of this months ago?

[Jax Pok]

does having factories/labor camps with enough suicides that nets have to be installed qualify as evil?

Yes. Those aren't Apple factories. Apple has been cracking down on such labor violations. They've begun some computer assembly in the USA too, unlike any other effing computer tech company.

That factory forced people to live there to make Apples products at the agreed price. Inhumane hours and wages as well as not being allowed to go home after shifts.. Apple was on the news saying they fixed the suicides by making the factory Foxcom place a net around the roof.

Apple built a USA factory but only for manufacturing the Mac Pro. The rest of their products are still being made buy Foxcom's suicidal work force. It's not just apple though most gadgets are made by Foxcom nobody wants to pay fair wages anymore. Nobody wants to employ a local workforce.

[Robmobius]

the only thing I'm interested in proving is that you'll bitch about them either way. which, i think, is quite obvious.

oh noes, da evil psyciosociopath filth corporation of vatican vampires iz making my batteries drain faster n not paying da taxes so's i donts get enuffs dole to buy da upgrade... such evil!

Or I could be talking about child abuse in Ireland and the gargantuan Vatican cover up. Oh and billions in tax is important to our EU ravaged economy here n Ireland.

So 'dats likeee duh tings im tawlkin aboot'. I just towtt I'd try owt some of youhur childish behavior. So use is talkin poo and is de' hypocrit.

Hate to say it D-D-Dags. You missed another capital letter there as well.

[Robmobius]

the only thing I'm interested in proving is that you'll bitch about them either way. which, i think, is quite obvious.

oh noes, da evil psyciosociopath filth corporation of vatican vampires iz making my batteries drain faster n not paying da taxes so's i donts get enuffs dole to buy da upgrade... such evil!

Prove that. Oh, you can't... 'Meh' to your passive aggressive behavior B-B-Baags.

Although, you could now say that I actually approved of their changing behavior in my previous post to JB. I said it was, and I quote 'cool'. Again your argument has no merit.

EDIT:

However, if apple are tightening up their previous bad labor practices that's really cool.

Sorry, I actually said 'that's really cool'. So some good praise for apple after all. Yay!

[Daags]

sounds like you're b-b-butthurt from a life spent on the d-d-dole

[arkmabat]

So what I've gotten put of this thread is that if you get circumcized, you should get a major doctor's discount.

[trimph1]

What I got out of this is that some here need to get a room...