Do you use a Adblocker on KVR and other music production site?

[wonshu]

I specifically turn off the ab-blocker for sites that are dear to me. And especially for sites that actually have relevant (!!) ads like kvr has.

Kvr is such a good resource (info, forum features, layout, usability) for all of us, it seems really foreign to me to completely deny it the revenue model it has chosen.

nonsense.

if youre saying that allowing ads is some form of "payment"...why do i have to pay (in any way) to access a site that isnt a pay site? i already paid for my computer and my internet access. in fact i pay a premium for good internet access. why should i have to be inundated with browser killing ads that all but negate the high speed access i actually do pay for?

You do realize, that the above quoted attitude is exactly what "disenfranchised users" (read: cheapskates!) used to justify their pirating of music, movies and books. And this is exactly what brought the media businesses to its knees. Reading this from someone who (probably) is a musician themselves is a complete mindf*ck.

What does KVR have to do with the fact that you bought a computer and pay for internet access?? In your unicorn-laden world, do you think that KVR "gets a cut" from the businesses building and distributing computers and providing network infrastructure? This is so dumb. But I'm going to stop now before I get more personal.

This attitude gets me so mad.

Best,
Hans

[arkmabat]

Adblockers are evil in a capitalistic society.

[chaosWyrM]

nonsense.

if youre saying that allowing ads is some form of "payment"...why do i have to pay (in any way) to access a site that isnt a pay site? i already paid for my computer and my internet access. in fact i pay a premium for good internet access. why should i have to be inundated with browser killing ads that all but negate the high speed access i actually do pay for?

You do realize, that the above quoted attitude is exactly what "disenfranchised users" (read: cheapskates!) used to justify their pirating of music, movies and books. And this is exactly what brought the media businesses to its knees. Reading this from someone who (probably) is a musician themselves is a complete mindf*ck.

What does KVR have to do with the fact that you bought a computer and pay for internet access?? In your unicorn-laden world, do you think that KVR "gets a cut" from the businesses building and distributing computers and providing network infrastructure? This is so dumb. But I'm going to stop now before I get more personal.

This attitude gets me so mad.

Best,
Hans

more nonsense.

what does pirating software, music, and books have to do with accessing a FREE website? again...if the owners of kvr want/need users to pay for it...then they can make it a pay site. do you think i should always watch the commercials during a tv show as well? or am i a "cheapskate" if i channel surf or go make a sandwich instead of being a good robot and sitting through them?

in my actual reality world...I control what happens on my own computer. it is not illegal or improper in any way to use an adblocker. in fact i think anyone who doesnt is an idiot.

if you choose to allow ads to pollute your browser and your computer, opening you up to tons of potential malicious code and generally screwing up things even when its not malicious...thats fine, i sure as hell dont.

if simple adblockers have the potential to ruin the online advertising industry...then perhaps its time for the online advertising industry to reexamine itself. its not my fault that its has gotten so out of hand that so many people (tens of millions http://qz.com/120797/over-one-fifth-of- ... g-to-hurt/) feel it necessary to employ specially designed software to avoid it.

perhaps if it wasnt so intrusive and detrimental to the user experience, not to mention potentially dangerous...people would have just lived with it. but no...it is all those things.

i didnt tell kvr to use this avenue to make money...that was their choice. if its not working out for them because of adblockers (which i dont think is the case at all) then they can try another way to generate revenue. i am not responsible for kvrs monetary success or that of their advertisers. if they need me to pay for access to their site...they can ask me directly through some sort of subscription/donation mechanic.

until that time...ill be here...adblocker on, speedily and smoothly navigating kvr...and the rest of the internet free of unwanted ads, ridiculous load times, and the occasional malware delivered by underhanded code.

[chk071]

again...if the owners of kvr want/need users to pay for it...then they can make it a pay site.

Only problem is that noone would do so. Isn't it much better to pretend the site is free, and show ads to cover the costs? The problem being that if everyone uses an adblocker, the site won't be interesting for ad partners anymore, hence they would pull their ads from the site. Which probably would mean that this site would have to be shut down, as i doubt the people behind it would pay everything out of their own wallet. I know it's hard to accept, but basically nothing in the internet is really free. Google's services would all have to be paid for if it wasn't for the ads. And i rather take ads than to have to pay for every service i use on the net tbh.

The problem isn't the ads IMO anyway, as you also said, the problem is the really penetrating stuff. Stuff which blocks the whole site, and when you click the X to close it, you're linked to the advertising site. That really sucks, and as a site owner i'd refrain from having such ads on my site. Never saw those on KVR though, so it's all fine.

[chaosWyrM]

again...if the owners of kvr want/need users to pay for it...then they can make it a pay site.

Only problem is that noone would do so. Isn't it much better to pretend the site is free, and show ads to cover the costs? The problem being that if everyone uses an adblocker, the site won't be interesting for ad partners anymore, hence they would pull their ads from the site. Which probably would mean that this site would have to be shut down, as i doubt the people behind it would pay everything out of their own wallet. I know it's hard to accept, but basically nothing in the internet is really free. Google's services would all have to be paid for if it wasn't for the ads. And i rather take ads than to have to pay for every service i use on the net tbh.

The problem isn't the ads IMO anyway, as you also said, the problem is the really penetrating stuff. Stuff which blocks the whole site, and when you click the X to close it, you're linked to the advertising site. That really sucks, and as a site owner i'd refrain from having such ads on my site. Never saw those on KVR though, so it's all fine.

well see?

seems the subscription option wouldnt bring in as much revenue as the advertising option currently does which includes people blocking the ads. adblocking software has been around long enough. if advertisers and site owners havent learned by now to include the fact that a certain percentage of people use adblockers into their equations...well then i dont know what to tell you.

im not sure how you jump to "everyone" using adblockers. i dont think anyone has even suggested that as a possibility. the fact is that we all know about them...and not everyone uses them...and some people who do use them turn them off for particular sites. thats not about to change.

and your assertion that nothing on the internet is free is true...at least in the sense that i already pay for my internet access. a "free" site is in fact free...for me...because i use adblockers. i dont recall agreeing to anything stating that i would view or click on ads...or that i would do anything to actually support the site at all. if site owners want to make it obligatory for users to financially support their sites...they have ways to do that.

if they dont do that...you cant rightly blame users who choose to opt out of viewing ads. that is tantamount to giving people a hard time for not making donations. the revenue generating scheme kvr has chosen is entirely optional. giving people a hard time and attempting to shame them for doing something thats not only well within their rights, but is a smart thing to do in general, as some here have done, is just poor behavior.

[Jace-BeOS]

Google's services aren't paid for by ads. They're paid for by selling the data they collect about you in order to TARGET ads. They did that long before they had their own advert system. They also sell an advert system itself, which is used way more by other websites than Google's own. Except YouTube. YouTube has become an ad infestation. Pretty much all streaming video is slow/broken content and repeat adverts.

Advertising has ruined the Internet. Stuff was "free" before huge corporate interest grabbed ahold of it and presented "free" content to us at the expense of our time and behavioral data being collected and sold.

Most websites don't even function on "older" mobile devices these days (I take serious exception to the notion of three years being "old" tech) because of the priority of delivering MULTIPLE ads on a single page, while the effing CONTENT sometimes never even shows up!!!

On desktop, it's not hugely better. I can block this shit with Adblock about 70% of the time any more, because javascript and hidden layers have eliminated the ability to block obstructing ads and content-blocking subscription (email address) requests.

The state of much of the web is abysmal. Thanks to ads. Screw em.

[chk071]

Well the internet wouldn't be the internet without ads. This site wouldn't exist without ads, or a way to pay the bills. And Wikipedia wouldn't exist without the good will of people who donate to their foundation. In the end, everything has to be paid the one or the other way. And i'm really, really happy that i don't have to pay for every site i visit. Because that would be the alternative without the ad revenues. Or without collecting data to make relevant advertising.

[Jace-BeOS]

My mobile browser crashed multiple times while trying to check out info on E3 because these damned gaming sites had an average of four high bandwidth and large sized ads right in the middle of the content. I abandoned site after site because they didn't f**king work at all due to the focus on javascript gadgets and ads!!!

Plus, there's a well known statistic that says that most of the Internet data transferred around is spam. f**k that shit!

I cannot in any way defend adverts anymore. An unobtrusive banner ad never bothered me in the past. That's not why Adblock was invented!!!! Large multiple ads that pop up all over the damned place and steal bandwidth and trick us into clicking/tapping them ... THAT is why Adblock was created! Entities that use such ads have ruined it for those that were willing to use unobtrusive ads. The assholes that abuse website visitors make more money, and that's all capitalism cares about, and others had to escalate to "compete". Perpetual increase is just as insane as perpetual motion machines but these bastards do it anyway because "capitalism!!!"

So the abusers have ruined it all and people like me now just want them ALL to PISS RIGHT OFF!

If we didn't constantly have the feeling of being assaulted from every damn angle, there'd be a lot less depression, impotent rage, and desensitization. Phone menus, websites, junk mail, spam, commercials in every goddamned type of media, bright animated f**king digital billboards distracting on the roadways, ads ads ads ads ads on every f**king surface...

GET OFF MY LAWN!!

(I have a sign planted on my lawn for the company that repaired my gutters. I wasn't asked if I wanted it there. I don't know if I got a discount for having it. They sent me a letter to be entered in a drawing for a cruise if I allowed them to put one on my lawn and I already had one, so my companion suggested letting them enter me into the drawing... which you know you still have to fly to Florida and pay everything else but the cruise ship tickets so I kept telling her that it's stupid and not worth it...)

Ads ads ads ads ads!!!!

I can't talk calmly about this any more and it really disgusts me to see people talking about how we cheapskates are ruining everything by wishing to stop being BOMBARDED with BULLSHIT on every surface not already coated with ads. Believe it or not, society ran just FINE before ads were implanted in every picosecond of our living experiences!!!!!

I'm not even 40 yet and I remember this!!!!

[melikeaudio]

I quite like seeing the ads on music sites and stores. Aslong as nothing is popping popping out or opening in a new window - i'm all game!

[SampleScience]

I quite like seeing the ads on music sites and stores. Aslong as nothing is popping popping out or opening in a new window - i'm all game!

I like it too.

[chk071]

Google still could be a bit smarter though. It shows me ads for stuff i own since years.

[Numanoid]

What does KVR have to do with the fact that you bought a computer and pay for internet access?? In your unicorn-laden world, do you think that KVR "gets a cut" from the businesses building and distributing computers and providing network infrastructure?

It is annoying with all the commercials eating bandwidth. Not everybody got unlimited access.

Does the OP work as an accountant at KVR, got some real information, or is just a fanboi?

If KVR and other sites could publish their accounts, it would be easier for everybody to see if a site is struggling or not.

[SampleScience]

Does the OP work as an accountant at KVR, got some real information, or is just a fanboi?

I don't work for KVR, but I'm thinking about advertising on the site, hence the question about adblocker. I guess that there's some data somewhere about the % of people visiting this site and blocking the ads. If it doesn't exist, someone should invent it.

[2ZrgE]

Well the internet wouldn't be the internet without ads. This site wouldn't exist without ads, or a way to pay the bills. And Wikipedia wouldn't exist without the good will of people who donate to their foundation. In the end, everything has to be paid the one or the other way. And i'm really, really happy that i don't have to pay for every site i visit. Because that would be the alternative without the ad revenues. Or without collecting data to make relevant advertising.

Maybe there would be more quality? 99,99 percent of the Internet is useless for me anyways, for the rest I might even pay.

[chk071]

Does the OP work as an accountant at KVR, got some real information, or is just a fanboi?

I don't work for KVR, but I'm thinking about advertising on the site, hence the question about adblocker. I guess that there's some data somewhere about the % of people visiting this site and blocking the ads. If it doesn't exist, someone should invent it.

If i had to guess then i'd say the amount of people using adblocker and likes is lower than 15%. Don't worry too much.