KVR Audio

hivkorn · Post by **hivkorn** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:02 pm

the filter of DIVA are awesome ...

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:49 pm

chk071 wrote:If i wanted something to scream i'd rather use distortion though, a filter which distorts like hell by itself is not really handy IMO.

I think you are a victim of failed filter design, because actually a good screamy filter is also a CREAMY filter. A filter that screams well is going to sound very smooth whereas adding a distortion is going to sound messy, edgy, totally different, nowhere as nice. If you could hear proper "scream" I think you'd change your opinion... I could post sound samples of my analog filters. I'll add some samples to the first post check back in a few days when I add a list of what I think are good digital filters.

BDeep wrote:Depends on what you'd consider screaming I guess. But if NI ever decides to incorporate their Driver filter in a synth, that one should definitely take the cake. Although, depending on your tastes, it may be a wee bit over the top

Nothing is overboard. I want to create a filter where you can dial in any amount of crazy.

Another reason I want to hear digital filters is because I want to hear what has already been accomplished in the digital world, what aspects have been explored, so I have confidence that what I want to do is possible. I'll have to post a list of my own of good screamy digital filters on the first post and detail why they are good.

fluffy_little_something · Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:22 pm

I don't want my face to be ripped off

Regarding distortion, with most synths it kind of sucks, especially with chords, where it introduces a lot of ugly rumbling. But I suppose even screamy filters are basically only for monophonic sounds...

Not sure what screamy even means, Like how it behaves with very high resonance?

Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:27 pm

FabFilter Volcano 2 of course. My favorite screamy Volcano filter types are: Extreme, Tube, and Fabfilter One. Verrukkelijk!

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Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:48 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:I don't want my face to be ripped off

Then don't dial in "rip your face off". The point is that the filter can sound like anything, you dial in your desired sound/behavior. Whatever you dial in, it should sound better than the competition. If it doesn't then there's no point.

fluffy_little_something wrote:Not sure what screamy even means, Like how it behaves with very high resonance?

My definition of screamy will include everything that is not simply "filter ringing", there's some saturation going on, some interaction with the input signal.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:56 pm

Architeuthis wrote:
chk071 wrote:If i wanted something to scream i'd rather use distortion though, a filter which distorts like hell by itself is not really handy IMO.
I think you are a victim of failed filter design, because actually a good screamy filter is also a CREAMY filter. A filter that screams well is going to sound very smooth whereas adding a distortion is going to sound messy, edgy, totally different, nowhere as nice. If you could hear proper "scream" I think you'd change your opinion... I could post sound samples of my analog filters. I'll add some samples to the first post check back in a few days when I add a list of what I think are good digital filters.

Maybe i misunderstood the OP too. When i think of "screamy" i think of distorting, wild filters like the MS-20's. Which don't sound very pleasant to me. An example of a creamy, round and pleasant filter is the Moog ladder filter for me e.g. Microbrute also has a filter which i would consider as screaming. All in all it's much too distorted for me, don't really like that sound unless i really want it that way.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:04 pm

chk071, this thread is about listing "your favorite" which means it has to sound pleasant to you, so it looks like for you that would be the moog ladder.

I'm adding this to the first post: "edit: My definition of screamy will include everything that is not simply "filter ringing"; there's some saturation going on, some interaction with the input signal. Subtle moog growl or even more subtle than that counts, up to insane MS-20 square madness. If that's your favorite, let me know!"

fluffy_little_something · Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:11 pm

I think I have repeatedly read the term squelching to describe such filters.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:17 pm

Let me also say that just because a sound is screamy or squelchy doesn't mean it isn't also simultaneously creamy. I guess the problem here is that words are not very good at conveying sound. SOUND is good for conveying sound!

So what I need to do maybe make a list of terms and then provide a sound example for each term. I'm not an expert in anything, so it's all just conjecture, but hopefully the result is comprehensible in some way.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:05 am

Architeuthis wrote:Thoothnclaw, Echoes, could you narrow that list down so I know what you think sounds the best?

Sylenth1

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:17 am

I've always had a soft spot for the Stream4 distortion module in Reason. Very digital, very in-your-face.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:08 am

What I hope to prove is that analog sound is not special. I've had an analog modular synth for years now, and I used to think analog was somehow magically better, but after looking at the output objectively, I don't see why you can't make a "perfect and digital" version of some analog filters. Yes it may not have every behavioral detail of an analog circuit, but I actually don't think the goal should be to replicate analog with all its perfections AND imperfections, but to use it as inspiration and focus only on what is good about the sound, and leave the rest. I think VSTs have largely somewhat failed to do this.

So far I've tired Diva, Synth Squad, Monark, WOW2, Driver, Massive, Sylenth, and Cyclop (although cyclop might as well not be on the list, the filter isn't better than many other offerings, but props to Sugar Bytes for making such a crazy product).

So far Sylenth has the most perfect representation of a good filter (IMO) although it's not very flexible.
As for the rest, they sound good in their own ways, but all exhibit annoying behaviors that only serve to limit its use.Edit:I need to make sure I am oversampling or running at a high samplerate when testing plugins I can detail these things when I make my list.

hivkorn · Post by **hivkorn** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:12 am

try the filterfreak of soundtoys

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:32 pm

hivkorn wrote:try the filterfreak of soundtoys

I don't have an iLok. You know I really love when someone makes a claim for how ANALOG it sounds OMGWOWZ!! ANALOG!!!

they don't even have an audio demo, really nice Soundtoys, that really makes me feel like you take yourself seriously.

cytospur · Post by **cytospur** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:39 pm

The Acid filter in DUNE2 gets me every time.

What is your favorite screamy filter? (from a vst)