KVR Audio

khanyz · Post by **khanyz** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:34 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:Nice rant ... but it doesn't apply here. Copy protection is a serial number only (no C/R). The plugins get registered to your Novation account in case you need to download them again or forget your serial number. You can install them as often as you like.

The manual says there is a machine code/id, which is tied to the pc, when you authorise. Is this not correct?

V-Station Manual wrote:Note : The UNLOCKING CODE is tied to your computer’s machine code and your machine code is unique to your computer. If you want to move the V-Station to another computer or if you upgrade your computer, you will need to re authorise.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:46 pm

khanyz wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:Nice rant ... but it doesn't apply here. Copy protection is a serial number only (no C/R). The plugins get registered to your Novation account in case you need to download them again or forget your serial number. You can install them as often as you like.
The manual says there is a machine code/id, which is tied to the pc, when you authorise. Is this not correct?
V-Station Manual wrote:Note : The UNLOCKING CODE is tied to your computer’s machine code and your machine code is unique to your computer. If you want to move the V-Station to another computer or if you upgrade your computer, you will need to re authorise.

Well, anyhow, it seems it isn't enough for many users to get it for "free", before they start ranting about the copy-protection

Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:49 pm

Numanoid wrote:Well, anyhow, it seems it isn't enough for many users to get it for "free", before they start ranting about the copy-protection

Sorry but the copy protection really sucks. They should release the V as freeware without any strings attached. I mean who buys this plugin today for 50 pounds? A plugin that comes with several bugs which Novation will maybe never fix?

khanyz · Post by **khanyz** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:49 pm

In the case of Focusrite, they used to allow 4 authorisations and then void the serial. I had their first pack and hit the limit when their server freaked out. I had to request a new serial, which I gave away. I've avoided Focusrite ever since.

electro · Post by **electro** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:52 pm

khanyz wrote:In the case of Focusrite, they used to allow 4 authorisations and then void the serial.

WTF???

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:18 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote: Nice rant ... but it doesn't apply here. Copy protection is a serial number only (no C/R).

Its definitely Challenge/Response.

You can view the whole tedious procedure .

BTW, their EULA is pretty cool too.

Check this out:

Focusrite EULA wrote: 2.2 You must permit the Licensor and his representatives, at all reasonable times and on reasonable advance notice, to inspect and have access to any premises, and to the computer equipment located there, at which the Software or the Documentation is being kept or used, and any records kept pursuant to this Licence, for the purpose of ensuring that you are complying with the terms of this Licence.

So better be available, the Focusrite Licensing Agents Team might want to drop by to see if your licenses are in order!

Unbelievable, but thats what you agree to if you install/use their software.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:01 pm

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:53 pm

All the plugins do use C/R protection. I have not installed any of the Novation plugins but out of curiosity I did install the Midnight Suite. Your standard run-of-the-mill C/R. From somewhere I remember that indeed their activation count is limited to 4, after which you have to beg for a new license (or just download an "unofficial patch" and problem solved).

But as it's free, I won't complain, but I would certainly not buy anything with such protection without making sure first that there is an alternative fix that is non-dependent of the developer.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:01 pm

Wonder why everyone is so scared about C/R and what happens if a company goes out of business. What happens if they have a serial protection, and still go out of business, and you need support because the plugin stopped working. Or you upgrade your OS, and the plugin is not compatible with it, and it doesn't get further development. Even if you lost your serial and the company goes bust, you could be f***ed. Don't get the discussion, especially as even in a worst case scenario, they could still be bought up by another company, and they maintain the servers. Sounds to me as if it was a general problem with copy protection. I don't know if you know the saying about forum threads about software, and how they always end up in a discussion about copy protection.

Btw, Novation (or Focusrite) changed the copy protection with version 2 of the plugin. Version 1.7 still uses serial only afaik. Not sure if the new codes work with that though. I still have a code which differs from the new ones, as i bought it boxed some years ago.

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:16 pm

chk071 wrote:Wonder why everyone is so scared about C/R and what happens if a company goes out of business.

It's fairly simple. With serial you being locked out of your software is much much smaller. If you loose your serial it's your fault and you are not dependent on anybody else. Also it's quite difficult to loose serial if you make a proper backups of your installers. Since the beginning of the 90's I have never managed to loose a single serial but I have seen plenty software stop working because the activation servers were turned off. If a C/R server is shut down there is absolutely no way (if not using a crack) you could use your software. Today you can even solve most of the compatibility problems with virtualization so if you need to open your ancient projects on a non-supported platform you still can as long as your software can be installed and authorized.

What is even worse is a C/R system with a low activation count. It absolutely sucks @ss.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:19 pm

Assuming that you have to reinstall your software. Which is as likely as losing your serial, having problems with your software, or having compatibility issues with a new OS. Or there is no 64-bit version. Or...

And yes, of course i had to reinstall a plugin once in a while, and it would suck to not be able to. But as i wrote, there's other reasons why it's generally bad when a company goes out of business too. Also mind the likeliness that something like that would happen. Then maybe it gets put into perspective a bit again.

D N A · Post by **D N A** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:21 am

So better be available, the Focusrite Licensing Agents Team might want to drop by to see if your licenses are in order!

Great, I'll give them a cup of tea / coffee and show them my V-Station presets

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:07 am

chk071 wrote:Assuming that you have to reinstall your software. Which is as likely as losing your serial, having problems with your software, or having compatibility issues with a new OS. Or there is no 64-bit version. Or...

So it will still work like before, on that same OS. And 64 bit in a bit bridge, or in 32 bit DAW software. No external party is stopping you from using the plugin like you've used it before.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:16 am

Studio One doesn't have a bit bridge, nor do other hosts. And not all bridges work with every plugin. And considering how many people will upgrade now to Windows 10, the incompatibility issue is quite a realistic scenario too.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:43 am

chk071 wrote:nor do other hosts.

Cubase and FL Studio have.

V-Station 2.0 is out (64 bit)