V-Station 2.0 is out (64 bit)

[audio/fault]

wow, this thing is damn small on my screen...
really hard to work with, but i like the sound somehow. thanks for the tip!

[fmr]

There's not much to consider in the future anyway. As i wrote, they refrained to release any more software after the V-Station anyway, due to it being cracked after the shortest time... so much for the need of a good protection. It's a sad story for me.

That is the same reason why Korg stopped after the legacy collection :/
Roland is now testing the vst crowd these days and i hope the same won't happen with them.
Then it will be the end of pluggouts/Plugin from them too.

Are you sure it was the reason? Because Korg released the M1 way after the first Legacy Collection, and even released the MonoPoly after that. And, AFAIK, they are still selling them, and they are still popular, even if thet have been cracked (which I don't know, but basically everything that exists in software is or will be cracked anyday).

The point is that there are companies producing software only products, or most of all software, that survive.

I guess it's a matter of how big the company is, and how much are the expectations they put on a specific kind of product. For a small company, even a relatively small revenue may be considered satisfactory, while for a big company only millions are considered worthing.

[aMUSEd]

I think it's more likely they just didn't have anything else to base it on, most of their development focus seems to be on controllers, apart from the recent Basstation 2.

[D N A]

Still, I would say that this (soft)synth is quite unique. It does not try to sound "analog". It definitely sounds digital, clean, some would even say plastic. But it's all in a ... good, pleasant way

[Wildfunk]

Still, I would say that this (soft)synth is quite unique. It does not try to sound "analog". It definitely sounds digital, clean, some would even say plastic. But it's all in a ... good, pleasant way

Nobody disses the V, we only diss Novation for their useless protection and their bugs!

[T-CM11]

Still, I would say that this (soft)synth is quite unique. It does not try to sound "analog". It definitely sounds digital, clean, some would even say plastic. But it's all in a ... good, pleasant way

I'm pretty sure Novation tried to make the K-Station sound as analog as possible.

[basslinemaster]

If you change your computer (or part of it), does the licence file still work? Presumably it doesn't, which is the whole point of challenge/response protection.
I think all companies who use C/R protection should be bound by law to release a protection-free version of the software if they ever go bust - this could be held by a central 'VST authority', who could just host the file (obviously not samples or other large files, just the VST itself). Companies could pay them a small fee each year (under $50) and then say "We are members of the 'VST authority' (whatever they decide to call it) - you are protected in the event that our company folds, and will be able to download a non-protected copy of our software in that instance."

Nice rant ... but it doesn't apply here. Copy protection is a serial number only (no C/R). The plugins get registered to your Novation account in case you need to download them again or forget your serial number. You can install them as often as you like.

LOL. So it is C/R... and it wasn't a "rant".
Anybody else like to discuss my idea? It would solve the problem of losing the use of software if a company goes bust.

[basslinemaster]

There's not much to consider in the future anyway. As i wrote, they refrained to release any more software after the V-Station anyway, due to it being cracked after the shortest time... so much for the need of a good protection. It's a sad story for me.

That is the same reason why Korg stopped after the legacy collection :/
Roland is now testing the vst crowd these days and i hope the same won't happen with them.
Then it will be the end of pluggouts/Plugin from them too.

I don't understand the reasoning behind this (Korg allegedly stopping production of new VSTs after the Legacy Collection was cracked) - there are copy protection systems that have not been cracked, and presumably never will be, since crackers have had years to do it. Nexus hasn't been cracked, nor Cubase or any Steinberg VSTs (have they?). So presumably it is possible to bring out VSTs with no way of them being cracked. It's interesting that Cubase is still so incredibly expensive, in spite of the fact that you can't get a warez version... (please correct me if I'm wrong.) ps Don't tell me, we're not allowed to discuss warez here, in spite of the fact that it's already being discussed in this thread...

[KingClarkie]

Cubase is still so incredibly expensive

No, it isn't.

[Wildfunk]

I don't understand the reasoning behind this (Korg allegedly stopping production of new VSTs after the Legacy Collection was cracked) - there are copy protection systems that have not been cracked, and presumably never will be, since crackers have had years to do it...

Novation released 2 basic synths and thought they can make millions with them?!

Did they really thought nobody will crack their plugins?

I'm sure the V plugin sold well... even if it was cracked.

The boxed version was available for 59€ in 2007 at Thomann... in 2008 the price has dropped to 29€... some years later the sold it out for just 19€.

[thecontrolcentre]

If you change your computer (or part of it), does the licence file still work? Presumably it doesn't, which is the whole point of challenge/response protection.
I think all companies who use C/R protection should be bound by law to release a protection-free version of the software if they ever go bust - this could be held by a central 'VST authority', who could just host the file (obviously not samples or other large files, just the VST itself). Companies could pay them a small fee each year (under $50) and then say "We are members of the 'VST authority' (whatever they decide to call it) - you are protected in the event that our company folds, and will be able to download a non-protected copy of our software in that instance."

Nice rant ... but it doesn't apply here. Copy protection is a serial number only (no C/R). The plugins get registered to your Novation account in case you need to download them again or forget your serial number. You can install them as often as you like.

LOL. So it is C/R... and it wasn't a "rant".
Anybody else like to discuss my idea? It would solve the problem of losing the use of software if a company goes bust.

I was agreeing with your rant actually ... and if you check back I already posted saying I was wrong about the C/R, altho it seems not to be tied to one machine.

[Numanoid]

I'm sure the V plugin sold well... even if it was cracked.

You just said a couple of pages back that it didn't sell

And then you haven't answered this question:

most guys already use a "free" version

What guys are that ?

[chk071]

Can only repeat myself:

I don't know if you know the saying about forum threads about software, and how they always end up in a discussion about copy protection.

You can almost set your clock to it... although i wouldn't have expected such a discussion about a mag-/freeware. And when people aren't forced to buy the mag, or the plugin. But then, as with most discussion the net, i don't really expect many people to share the opinion voiced here. It's rather an internet thing, and people against any kind of copy protection.

[Wildfunk]

You just said a couple of pages back that it didn't sell

Of course it sold well in the beginning... but NOW it's dead.

And then you haven't answered this question:

most guys already use a "free" version

What guys are that ?

Stupid question. Crack users of course!

[chk071]

Wildfunk, do you really expect Novation to put a lot of work and effort into all 3 plugins, and remove, or change their copy protection, which works for them, and for which they built their system, servers and anything?