FL Studio 12 Released!

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You do know that many of those guys produce their own music and take it very seriously?

Studio videos of some of those guys on Youtube are great to see how that is going when they're on their own

We have a bunch of them here

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... nMf0exyEDb

Regards Scott

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Hardwell is the no 1 DJ I think (according to djmag.com)

Tried to find his equipment, he is listed as a Logic user: http://equipboard.com/pros/hardwell

But FL Studio get many mentions between the top DJ's:

Van Buuren uses Live, FL Studio, Studio One, Logic

Garrix uses FL Studio, Logic

Tiesto uses Logic, Cubase, Live and FL Studio

Avicii uses FL Studio, Cubase, Logic

People on that list using FL Studio include...

Afrojack
Armin van Buuren
Arty
Avicii
David Guetta
Dyro
Heatbeat
Madeon
Martin Garrix
Oliver Heldens
Orjan Nilsen
Porter Robinson
Ummet Ozcan

[robotmonkey]

Latest CM, out today in Zinio, award FL Studio 12 a 9 out of 10 rating, along with Performance and Value Award.

LOL, pretty much every review in this issue was 9/10. For a long time their scores have meant nothing at all as they always give everything 8/10 or 9/10.

[robotmonkey]

I don't know, sounds a little elitist. I am sure in 10 years a hand-full of those guys will be lauded as the masters of modern production.

Regards Scott

Unfortunately I doubt that any of those artist are even remembered in a couple of years time. Modern EDM is as disposable as the bubbling grease of a fast food kitchen, so I doubt any of these dj's and EDM artist will have a spot in music history like many of the really great and masterly bands we know today even after 30 or 40 years (eg King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Brian Eno, Kate Bush and so on).

[trimph1]

I don't know, sounds a little elitist. I am sure in 10 years a hand-full of those guys will be lauded as the masters of modern production.

Regards Scott

Unfortunately I doubt that any of those artist are even remembered in a couple of years time. Modern EDM is as disposable as the bubbling grease of a fast food kitchen, so I doubt any of these dj's and EDM artist will have a spot in music history like many of the really great and masterly bands we know today even after 30 or 40 years (eg King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Brian Eno, Kate Bush and so on).

Oh brother. Now we are getting into the prog rock elitism stuff, geesh.

Oh well, with my eclectic tastes I would assume that any of those EDM producers could be "included" in the pantheon.

Can you think of inclusion rather than exclusion?

[Tonberry]

So if you criticize something someone else likes as something not good enough to be called legendary, you become an elitist pig? When we're talking about the best of the best, aren't we supposed to raise the bar high by definition? I don't think you understand the idea of being the best at something, there are only few chairs up there on top.

Ask yourself a question: do you remember all those commercial bands that ruled the dancefloors in 90s? Dr Alban, Rednex, Marusha, 2 Unlimited etc. Where are they now? Who in the sane mind considers them quality after two decades? People old enough to know them listen to those bands as a cheesy reminescence of their youth and nothing more. This is how modern edm is going to sound to people in 20 years.

Trance and house (which constitute the "body" of edm) are the first genres everyone who gets into making music on PC gets. Why? Because it is the simplest music to make. It takes the least skill to be good at. You don't become legendary by going the path with the least resistance, the path that is easily accessible to anyone. You become legendary by bringing something fresh to the table and mastering it. Every band that the other guy mentioned did this and in a huge way! What does Martin Garrix bring to the table? He can't even craft his own sounds for Christ's sake, majority of EDM producers just use Vengeance sample packs. This is the stuff that's going to become history because? Aren't we setting the bar a bit low?

Nobody will care about those artists in 10 years just like nobody cares today about club "dance" artists from 10 years ago (with exceptions that can be counted on one hand). This is how it goes, people go, people dance, people have fun. Next please!

This is not to say that edm is a particularly bad music as it is an umbrella term so obviously a lot of different styles are included. Dubstep is notoriously hard to make, trap even though simple by nature can be made into quite a mature beast (check Rogue's "Rattlesnake"as a great example - one of the best tracks in electronic music this year for sure btw. ) etc. etc.

Generally though, I listen to edm regularly at home and occasionally go have fun live but calling all those "top DJs" anything more than cheap entertainment is delusional. Setting up standards for what deserves highest praise has nothing to do with elitism, it's basic common sense.

[D-Fusion]

Nobody will care about those artists in 10 years just like nobody cares today about club "dance" artists from 10 years ago (with exceptions that can be counted on one hand). This is how it goes, people go, people dance, people have fun. Next please!

Not completely true and you must have many fingers
Here we even have Back to the 90's (Eurodance), every year with the good old timers and the tickets gets sold out very quick.

And that is older than 10 years.
Just because they aren't rock stars doesn't mean that they will be forgotten.

[robotmonkey]

Amen to that Tonberry.

It has nothing to do with being a prog rock elitist as I could have added many other non prog artist to that list. Even though prog rock is the epitome of modern music - there is no doubt about that. And there are good reasons why those artist are still relevant after 40 years.

And I do also listen to a lot of music from a wide range of genres, and so I have pretty good perspective both historically and genre wide. I certainly do not subscribe to that view that we have to look everything at its own terms. Rather, when we put things into perspective and make comparisons can we say something relevant about what things are good and what are not. Also, it never is about likening or not likening something as we also can look at a variety of purely technical aspects of music.

I think Scotts claim that these EDM artist will be seen as some kind of masters of production is highly suspect. Strangely enough it's still the old artist that continue to push limits of what is musically possible and also having the best production. Production of EDM I have heard over the couple of years has been in 99% pretty meh and uninspiring. And it all sounds the same. Usually it goes like that: lets put a snare intro here - *click* - I think this needs more wobbles - *clikc* *click* - here comes a riser - *click* - lets put some analogue sounding pads here too and add some sidechained compressor for this pumping effect that no one else has ever used - *click* *click* *click* ...

It's still people like Peter Gabriel, Brian Eno, Peter Hammill, members of King Crimson or Steven Wilson and many other older musicians that are the masters of production. And unlike any of the EDM artist they will have a central spot in music history.

[Tonberry]

Here we even have Back to the 90's (Eurodance), every year with the good old timers and the tickets gets sold out very quick.

Where I live (Poland) in villages close to my city there's a lot of that stuff during summer, but that doesn't say much about popularity or respect for those artists. People go to have fun, to do something, some go out of nostalgia for the lost youth hihi. I doubt anyone goes and to see Snap or Pharaoh and says "this is the best music ever!". It's the same with current dance artists, people go to have fun, drink, take drugs, socialize. It's a fun social activity, not a homage to artists groundbreaking compositional and production skills which would probably be required to include someone on the list of people who really mattered in music history, instead of endless rephrasing of basic musical ideas and melodies that echo through decades with close to zero changes in structure and sound.

Just because they aren't rock stars doesn't mean that they will be forgotten.

For me this has nothing to do with what kind of music someone makes, does he play an instrument or is he making music on a computer. If anything, I believe being a one man electronic music band is 10x harder work than simply raping the instrument until it becomes the extension of a body (because this is just one skill and you always know the direction you have to go). I think mentally we're already past that stage where fan base was divided - nowadays people listen to all kinds of music whereas even decade ago people were stuck more in their own claustrophobic musical ranges.

And again, no elitism here, sometimes a simple uplifting tune is exactly what's needed and listening to everything with endless set of filters to satisfy is more disease than it is a set of standards, but when you say "historic", "influential", "legendary" etc. every single filter there is needs to be applied and nothing on the top 100 dj list even begins to come through those filters

[trimph1]

My problem is that there are way too many 'filters' at work when it comes to what gets remembered by whom. There were loads of prog bands that also got forgotten as well. No ONE genre has all the 'best' groups out there.

[Phorous]

Business savy and slick marketing are not what gets someone remembered 40 years later. They have to be EXTREMELY talented on-top of that...

Not saying the people on that list aren't talented either.

[Hank the Knife]

I don't understand. How could someone forget this?

[Numanoid]

LOL, pretty much every review in this issue was 9/10. For a long time their scores have meant nothing at all as they always give everything 8/10 or 9/10.

I read CM's system as follows
10/10: Excellent
9/10: Very Good
8/10: Good
7/10: Look elsewhere for options

I don't think their scores are too high, I think most software released is useable, except SuperSynth stuff I can't remember I ever bought stuff that I thought really stunk, or wasn't at least a 6/10 or 7/10 rating

[chk071]

I think Scotts claim that these EDM artist will be seen as some kind of masters of production is highly suspect. Strangely enough it's still the old artist that continue to push limits of what is musically possible and also having the best production. Production of EDM I have heard over the couple of years has been in 99% pretty meh and uninspiring. And it all sounds the same. Usually it goes like that: lets put a snare intro here - *click* - I think this needs more wobbles - *clikc* *click* - here comes a riser - *click* - lets put some analogue sounding pads here too and add some sidechained compressor for this pumping effect that no one else has ever used - *click* *click* *click* ...

It's still people like Peter Gabriel, Brian Eno, Peter Hammill, members of King Crimson or Steven Wilson and many other older musicians that are the masters of production. And unlike any of the EDM artist they will have a central spot in music history.

This is sort of like saying that Baseball sucks because you find it boring and rather watch football. I can only comment on Trance music, because apart from that and Deep House, i don't really listen to EDM music, but that has come a long way in the last 15 years. Maybe not so much in terms of track writing, but the productions nowadays are so much better that it isn't funny anymore. And so are the synth sounds. Maybe it all sounds sameish to YOU because you're not really into the music.

And regarding the elititst behavior: Most of the elitists here, if you want so, judge about artists which do millions with their music, while they never made a penny with it, plus they never even posted anything remotely impressive here in the music café. Sorry to be harsh, but that is so. People who really do impressive stuff just do it, they don't complain about how shitty others music is, or bash whole genres. Only untalented fools do that. Sorry for the harsh words.

[Numanoid]

It's still people like Peter Gabriel, Brian Eno, Peter Hammill, members of King Crimson or Steven Wilson and many other older musicians that are the masters of production.

So it is raaaawck that matters then

I think from day one when I started listening to music back in the 80's I've had raaaawck fans telling me that forget Kraftwerk, they only press buttons.

I see 30 years later the argument hasn't changed much