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Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:10 pm

PatchAdamz wrote:This one always makes me smile

The Helsinki towels mystery does the same for me

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:31 pm

Numanoid wrote:
PatchAdamz wrote:This one always makes me smile
The Helsinki towels mystery does the same for me

Gotta love it!

Check out this short interview, the interviewer suggest Frank write some "acceptable" lyrics, then dissects "Jazz Discard Party Hats"..

Very funny.....

rp314 · Post by **rp314** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:58 am

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:31 pm

PatchAdamz wrote:then dissects "Jazz Discard Party Hats"..

Very funny.....

Indeed, especially as she is called Butcher

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:33 pm

Tiny sick tears, the cookie jar, the eating hole, the ice box, the box of milk, and The End makes this a laughaton

rp314 · Post by **rp314** » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:21 am

Theodore Bikel RIP

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:21 pm

I think Nik Kershaw had listened quite a bit to Zappa's Jazz from Hell, as he made this tune

Sad that it could only be a b-side, what a masterpiece

I would be delighted if anybody could point me in the direction of better 80's fusion

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:02 pm

BTW: I just realized the obvious link between Bob Dylan and Carpenters

Zimmermann = Carpenter

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:02 pm

Numanoid wrote:BTW: I just realized the obvious link between Bob Dylan and Carpenters

Zimmermann = Carpenter

Your thinking of The Captain & Tennille and Mr. Spock.

Leonard Nimoy recites poetry while the Captain & Tennille play Elton John:

JoeCat · Post by **JoeCat** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:49 pm

My original comment about Zappa not being an arranger was purely conjecture - I don't know his processes and he may have spent an enormous amount of time arranging. But if he was arranging purposefully he didn't seem to be working towards anything traditional in terms of structure and instrumentation - if anything he often seemed to be "anti-arranging"; I imagine him thinking "that's exactly what they're expecting - let me mess that up". As opposed to the more "How do I make these instruments work together more harmoniously? What can I do to the structure of this piece to have better dramatic impact."

Whatever the case, "Dyna Moe Hum" is not "Yesterday". Which is perfectly fine.

The Carpenters, on the other hand, could have made that a hit.

Harry_HH · Post by **Harry_HH** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:26 pm

JoeCat wrote:My original comment about Zappa not being an arranger was purely conjecture - I don't know his processes and he may have spent an enormous amount of time arranging. But if he was arranging purposefully he didn't seem to be working towards anything traditional in terms of structure and instrumentation - if anything he often seemed to be "anti-arranging"; I imagine him thinking "that's exactly what they're expecting - let me mess that up". As opposed to the more "How do I make these instruments work together more harmoniously? What can I do to the structure of this piece to have better dramatic impact."

Whatever the case, "Dyna Moe Hum" is not "Yesterday". Which is perfectly fine.

The Carpenters, on the other hand, could have made that a hit.

I dont buy this "anti-arranging" stuff. For the "rock artist" he had untypical deep roots in the traditional scoring (although self-taughed). The output wasn't far away from Edvard Varese or e.g. Debussy who he admired. Zappa just mixed different genres but his sense of form and method was in the classical music, every single part was well planned.

JoeCat · Post by **JoeCat** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:19 pm

Harry_HH wrote:
JoeCat wrote:My original comment about Zappa not being an arranger was purely conjecture - I don't know his processes and he may have spent an enormous amount of time arranging. But if he was arranging purposefully he didn't seem to be working towards anything traditional in terms of structure and instrumentation - if anything he often seemed to be "anti-arranging"; I imagine him thinking "that's exactly what they're expecting - let me mess that up". As opposed to the more "How do I make these instruments work together more harmoniously? What can I do to the structure of this piece to have better dramatic impact."

Whatever the case, "Dyna Moe Hum" is not "Yesterday". Which is perfectly fine.

The Carpenters, on the other hand, could have made that a hit.
I dont buy this "anti-arranging" stuff. For the "rock artist" he had untypical deep roots in the traditional scoring (although self-taughed). The output wasn't far away from Edvard Varese or e.g. Debussy who he admired. Zappa just mixed different genres but his sense of form and method was in the classical music, every single part was well planned.

My point being it may well be purposeful, but not traditional, in the way Debussy was not. So point taken.

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:12 am

Harry_HH wrote:
JoeCat wrote:My original comment about Zappa not being an arranger was purely conjecture - I don't know his processes and he may have spent an enormous amount of time arranging. But if he was arranging purposefully he didn't seem to be working towards anything traditional in terms of structure and instrumentation - if anything he often seemed to be "anti-arranging"; I imagine him thinking "that's exactly what they're expecting - let me mess that up". As opposed to the more "How do I make these instruments work together more harmoniously? What can I do to the structure of this piece to have better dramatic impact."

Whatever the case, "Dyna Moe Hum" is not "Yesterday". Which is perfectly fine.

The Carpenters, on the other hand, could have made that a hit.
I dont buy this "anti-arranging" stuff. For the "rock artist" he had untypical deep roots in the traditional scoring (although self-taughed). The output wasn't far away from Edvard Varese or e.g. Debussy who he admired. Zappa just mixed different genres but his sense of form and method was in the classical music, every single part was well planned.

Not to mention that his arrangements have been performed by countless orchestras/conductors including:

London Symphony Orchestra
Columbus Symphony
ProMusica Chamber Orchestra
Pierre Boulez
Ensemble Modern
Peter Rundel

And sited by many conductors as important works.
Apparently he was working "toward" something..

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:32 am

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:52 am

Zappa thinking "that's exactly what they're expecting - let me mess that up". As opposed to the more "How do I make these instruments work together more harmoniously? What can I do to the structure of this piece to have better dramatic impact."
Really? I think this reactionary notion is projection. Frank Zappa wrote a terrific amount of beautiful music.

FZ as based in people's pedestrian expectations is just wrong.
He considered real composing a hobby which he supported by "it's time to get back to touring with the R&B act".

an arrangement of traditional Doo-Wop:
and here's his arrangement of Ravel's Bolero:

Carpenters Vs. Zappa