KVR Audio

ATS · Post by **ATS** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:22 pm

There seems to be no fix for nemesis.

There is...I got it and fixed the problem.

ATS · Post by **ATS** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:23 pm

chk071 wrote:Something i accidentally came by when reading the Warmverb manual:

We would like to thank the beta testing team and everyone at the KVR forums for
their input (well some of it at least).
Something which happened here must have made a permanent impression there. Tbh, i can quite understand it. The way some companies (teh "evil" ones, not teh "good" ones, those get a permanent butt kiss around here coz "good" ) receive their just deserts sometimes here from "experts of the audio secene" is really almost ashaming. Some people can just view things from their viewpoint, and don't have any sense for why companies take measures to protect their business side. After all it doesn't matter anyway what people who only can see their side of the coin think, as protecting the software from piracy will be in the customers best interest anyway, because the company and therefor their products will continue to exist.

I think Tone2 are great guys btw. Even got a personal welcome message (not automated) from them when i bought the Electra2 upgrade, never got that from another company. Plus they were super quick when shooting them a message about the license transfer.

I have great experiences with Tone2 all around.

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:33 am

KVR, where small companies with well above average business practices are demonized on a daily basis

bailees7irish · Post by **bailees7irish** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:06 am

robotmonkey wrote: Wonder how much this kind of reputation will cost them in the long run compared to piracy.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:37 am

what accusations were made from this PIRATED group? i can tell u my licenses are all legit, just check my wants/sales etc. i spent too much and have too many plugins

. hence i bought komplete 10 ultimate last month

that's what's makes me angry as a legit owner, that there is something in both softwares (and tone2 especially!!!) what makes those conflicts + shut downs. tone 2 didnt reply yet, ok it's only 1.5 days now

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chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:50 am

robotmonkey wrote: Wonder how much this kind of reputation will cost them in the long run compared to piracy.

Forum or internet reputation? Well how many people read this? It may seem a lot, but compared with the real customerbase it's probably real peanuts. I think it's often overrated how much influence forums or the internet in general have. And the opinions are often mistaken with what the majority of people wants, while in fact it's mostly the minority, who feel like the internet is a good place to voice their minority opinion, which posts there.

Just take a look at this forum: Don't want to name names, but there's companies which get notoriously bashed here which do a lot better economically than some companies which get worshipped here because of their "business ethics" whatever that is. That's the difference between wishful thinking and reality.

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:13 pm

chk071 wrote: Forum or internet reputation? Well how many people read this? It may seem a lot, but compared with the real customerbase it's probably real peanuts. I think it's often overrated how much influence forums or the internet in general have. And the opinions are often mistaken with what the majority of people wants, while in fact it's mostly the minority, who feel like the internet is a good place to voice their minority opinion, which posts there.

Just take a look at this forum: Don't want to name names, but there's companies which get notoriously bashed here which do a lot better economically than some companies which get worshipped here because of their "business ethics" whatever that is. That's the difference between wishful thinking and reality.

When it comes to the internet all it takes is one googling. for anyone researching their products. Now granted, It might have an impact or it might have not. But curiously enough Tone2 is among the few companies that has a reputation of using some shady methods. I have encountered this opinion many times over and this has been enough for me not to support that company.

And of course, even the sh1tiest of companies can still be popular, there's no doubt about it. Unfortunately the average consumer often lacks both moral backbone and intelligence to take a stand. This is actually why consumer rights are disappearing everywhere and companies get a free hand to do anything they want.

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:20 pm

robotmonkey wrote: And of course, even the sh1tiest of companies can still be popular, there's no doubt about it. Unfortunately the average consumer often lacks both moral backbone and intelligence to take a stand. This is actually why consumer rights are disappearing everywhere and companies get a free hand to do anything they want.

The average customer just cares if the product works for them and people they know, not a couple random pissed off people on an internet forum who encompass the vocal minority.

I would say giving too much credence to people focusing on trivial aspects of a product would not be the intelligent thing to do especially after frequenting internet forums for close to 2 decades.

Kraznet · Post by **Kraznet** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:38 pm

I've been having this problem for about 2 years with Saurus and Rayblaster. it goes like this. I install the plug-ins. Then I open my DAW Samplitude and as it scans the plug-ins when it reaches either of these two, Windows 8 just shuts down with no way of stopping it. I've also witnessed this problem with Sonar Platinum and Reaper. Once the initial scanning is done and shutdown happens. There is no problem after that it's just the initial scanning that seems to cause the problem. I did email support and they got back to me with a couple of patches but that didn't seem to make any difference. Since my latest reinstall of Windows I haven't bothered installing these soft synths. Although I guess I should try again and see what happens.

Kraznet · Post by **Kraznet** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:39 pm

Kraznet wrote:I've been having this problem for about 2 years with Saurus and Rayblaster. it goes like this. I install the plug-ins. Then I open my DAW Samplitude and as it scans the plug-ins when it reaches either of these two, Windows 8 just shuts down with no way of stopping it. I've also witnessed this problem with Sonar Platinum and Reaper. Once the initial scanning is done the shutdown happens. There is no problem after that it's just the initial scanning that seems to cause the problem. I did email support and they got back to me with a couple of patches but that didn't seem to make any difference. Since my latest reinstall of Windows I haven't bothered installing these soft synths. Although I guess I should try again and see what happens.

Kraznet · Post by **Kraznet** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:39 pm

posted in error

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:29 pm

Markus Krause wrote:The [iLok/PACE] copy protection installs a Windows driver with root access to your computer. Furthermore several important Windows runtime libraries (dll files) are modified.
iLok changes the behavior of the Windows operating system. As a result hard- and software from other companies can crash or stop to operate.
The creators of iLok do not provide information about incompatibilities.

In my trials using PACE, I found it to be a parasite, this confirms it.
In communications with that company, there has been a continual method of tactics to either divert the question, or in cases where the customer cannot be derailed from the question, to simply disappear, ignore and avoid any further contact. So I now also question any company that would use them also.
Also... one minority pointing the other out as the minority doesn't make it so.
Fact is there are many who rationally just won't use any product incorporating PACE/iLok that simply don't waste their voice on forums or even the internet itself.
This is more time than I care to do as well.

This is the best recommendation:

Markus Krause wrote:Solution 1 - Recommended:
Uninstall the iLok / Pace software from your computer...

As well as any product that demands it.
(Who in their right mind knowingly puts a "root kit" on their own system.)

I've yet to have any major issues using Tone 2 products.

DrumAddict · Post by **DrumAddict** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:53 pm

it has nothing to do with iLok , a friend had the same problem as Kraznet on win 8 , he had buy Rayblaster (its the only Tone2 product on his computer) and vst scanning with the NI Maschine or Samplitude shuts his pc down on scanning Rayblaster everytime , only solution was deinstalling Rayblaster . he will never buy any Tone2 products anymore as it is the only vst synth which makes such trouble

personal i also stay away from Tone2 products after he told to me

the problem are that Rayblaster sees the vstscanning as debugging function and shuts down the pc , and this are part of the copy protection from Tone2

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:54 pm

I got all Tone2 plugins (most of them a long time) and also iLok 2 with licenses for Pro Tools 11 and the Lexicon MXR plugin (+ several demo licenses in the past). Did not notice an issue yet, so far also not when using a Tone 2 synth with that Lexicon plugin (which is still new at the moment).
If i should notice an issue i will report it to Markus and/or in the official forum of course.

Copy protection from Tone2 was never an issue for me, ven after more than one reinstall of the OS or using them at two differnt computers (desktop + notebook).

UPDATE:
I reported a possible issue with iLok + Tone2 plugins and also a solution at the nextpage of this thread.

Actually the solution seems to be to install the iLok fix from Tone2 (for the corresponding plugin).

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:03 pm

DrumAddict wrote:it has nothing to do with iLok , a friend had the same problem as Kraznet on win 8 , he had buy Rayblaster (its the only Tone2 product on his computer) and vst scanning with the NI Maschine or Samplitude shuts his pc down on scanning Rayblaster everytime , only solution was deinstalling Rayblaster .

^ Anecdotal at best.

Markus Krause wrote:... found complaints about problems with Skype, Blue-screens in Windows, other VST plugins and floppy disc drives in various forums.
A) Run an iLok protected plugin at the same time as a plugin from [Tone2] and a crash could happen.
B) Run an iLok protected plugin at the same time as certain Skype versions and a crash could happen.
C) Run an iLok protected plugin at the same time as a plugin from Waves or Synapse Audio and a crash could happen.
D) Run an iLok protected plugin at the same time as Mozilla Firefox and a crash could happen.

iLok/PACE is the issue.

FIXED (iLOK + Tone2 Products = crashes + SHUT DOWN) FIXED thx TONE2 !!!!!