Did you know this thing about Tone2 plugins?

[basslinemaster]

That must be indeed an incredible difficult task which may takes weeks to accomplish. Do they even have those modern machined, called computers to work with, or do they use pens, files,typwriters and letters by mail?

The process to transfer a license involve some tasks which are time consuming. Is not as fast as you may think and switching a license to a new owner must be done manually. While the original licence is associated automatically when you place the order and your data is already available because you compiled some forms, on a license transfer process you have to find the user information, erase the old owner data, associate the licence with the new user and so on.

So they don't have any COMPUTERS in the Tone2 offices then? Their website is run on fairy dust, and not on a server? WTF?

The buyer enters their information into a WEBSITE, which is sent to another COMPUTER, and that COMPUTER does all the updating for them, using PHP. WTF? None of this has to be done manually. Have you never bought anything online? Do you think all companies have a trained army of people sitting there, manually retyping everything you've just typed in on your browser?

[thecontrolcentre]

Did you also know that their installers come with hunter-killer side program that searches all through your Program Files, System32, WOW64 and so on, looking for ripped off copies of their products, and when it finds one it dials home and meanwhile kills the synth, etc., it deems unlicensed?

Oh really? What was the source of this information?

I never used any Tone2 overpriced shiny VSTs, but I saw this in the freeware Firebird2 they are giving away. Was told all their installers have it now.

You was told by whom? The Xmas fairy?

Personally, I think their synths all sound the same and geared toward EDM only.

So ... despite never having used them you've decided they all sound the same ...

[2ZrgE]

That must be indeed an incredible difficult task which may takes weeks to accomplish. Do they even have those modern machined, called computers to work with, or do they use pens, files,typwriters and letters by mail?

The process to transfer a license involve some tasks which are time consuming. Is not as fast as you may think and switching a license to a new owner must be done manually. While the original licence is associated automatically when you place the order and your data is already available because you compiled some forms, on a license transfer process you have to find the user information, erase the old owner data, associate the licence with the new user and so on. If you are in the middle of developing some new software, programming an update, doing sound design for a new bank this is a problem (especially if you have to manage multiple license transfers). That's why a license transfer is slower to process.

Where I work we have computers and stuff.

In a well organized company those tasks you are describing are done in five minutes. Maybe without an appropriate CRM and/or database it may take longer. But really? Come on...

Ask U-he if a licence transfer is a complicated thing. Last time I bought a second hand licence the deal was done in half an hour (from contacting the seller on KVR, payment via Paypal, and receicing the licence mail from U-he). Just saying.

It's not complicated at all. It just require to be done manually, unless you have a robot with a working A.I. working for you, and for this reason could be slow even for a well organized (but small) company.
Could be slow doesn't mean that is slow; it means that in case it took a bit longer the final user has been informed about it in the FAQ.

Concerning U-he (or Volkswagen, or Pepsi, or everything else...) I suppose you have to contact U-he, not Tone2. For Tone2 it works like explained in their FAQ, it's a piece of information they are giving to the user based on how they manage things.

I guess you haven't worked in an office yet?

All I'm saying is: even if it has to be done manually, it can be done rather fast by modern office standards. If Tone2 cannot provide that - good to know.

U-he is no big player either, but they can manage licence transfers extremely fast, but Tone2 cannot? And they even openly admit that?

Remember: I didn't say it was complicated, Tone2 did (check the quote).

Whatever, I won't buy Tone2 synths first-hand nor second-hand (especially now that I'm convinced that they slow down the transfer on purpose - thanks for letting us know )

[beegee]

I bought a Tone2 plugin from the market place last weekend. The transfer was done on Tuesday, I'm happy with that time frame.

[wagtunes]

Did you also know that their installers come with hunter-killer side program that searches all through your Program Files, System32, WOW64 and so on, looking for ripped off copies of their products, and when it finds one it dials home and meanwhile kills the synth, etc., it deems unlicensed?

Oh really? What was the source of this information?

I never used any Tone2 overpriced shiny VSTs, but I saw this in the freeware Firebird2 they are giving away. Was told all their installers have it now.

You was told by whom? The Xmas fairy?

Personally, I think their synths all sound the same and geared toward EDM only.

So ... despite never having used them you've decided they all sound the same ...

As a Tone2 owner of several of their synths, I can say that there is an underlying similarity between them. I call it that "plastic shine" sound. Personally, I love the sound but it is unmistakably Tone2.

Now I don't own all their synths so I can't say this is true throughout the entire line, but the ones I do have all have that nice plastic tone to them. I would purchase and compare other Tone2 synths but they are just so pricey that I can't really afford to. That is the one thing that I'm not entirely thrilled with in regard to their synths. They are, IMO, a little more expensive than what they should be given the features compared to other synths. A perfect example is Zebra 2 which is only slightly more expensive and yet blows Tone2 synths away as far as flexibility and features. Again, IMO.

I feel the Tone2 synths are $150 synths and not $189, $199 synths.

But back on topic, yes, there is a definite similarity in the sound, at least in the ones that I own.

[penguinfromdeep]

I think they just don't want people buying second hand licences, of course all developers would prefer people to buy new licences

[chk071]

U-he is no big player either, but they can manage licence transfers extremely fast, but Tone2 cannot? And they even openly admit that?

Did they?

I agree with penguinfromdeep though, to me it also looks like they don't really dig license transfers. I bought ElectraX here on the market place, and for 5 (work-)days there was no reaction to the license transfer request. It took some more e-mails, and then 2 people replied to the request. But then, every license transfer means extra work for them, and i can understand that that's not easy for them. U-he is kind of a special case, as even the employees browse these forums pretty often, and answer user requests or questions. But that's only possible with a total dedication to your work, 24/7 work times so to say.

[Robmobius]

I have most of their stuff at this stage.

I bought Saurus (and warm verb) over a year ago second hand, and it was a quick transfer with no hassles at all.

I've dealt with Bastian Van Noord a couple of times now and he's always been very helpful.

[chk071]

Yeah, once they replied they were very cool, i can confirm that.

[Igro]

Did you know that tone 2 synths are lo-fi? Jist look at the envelopes. Their prices should not exceed 40 dollars in my opinion.

[chk071]

Did you know that tone 2 synths are lo-fi? Jist look at the envelopes.

[BlackWinny]

Did you know that tone 2 synths are lo-fi? Jist look at the envelopes.

Don't worry, chk, that kind of words expressing the obvious bad faith is common from people hating someone or something. Don't even mention it.


Liking or not liking someone or something is common. But in forums it is common to see it going until the bad faith... simply to express one's hate.

[chk071]

Especially as the Tone2 synth's envelopes are some of the best in the business IMO.

[whyterabbyt]

Did you know that tone 2 synths are lo-fi? Jist look at the envelopes.

Its true. I went through a whole bunch of synths, with the oscillators and filters and everything else turned off, and looked at all their envelopes, and quite frankly, these were the worst of the bunch.
Then I actually listened to them. Dear god, how utterly rough they were. Like a chipmunk had written them in BASIC for a 4-bit Casio Calculalator.
I had to spend three hours listening to the envelopes of a vintage Buchla just to recover.
Shameful.

[pandashake]

Did you also know that their installers come with hunter-killer side program that searches all through your Program Files, System32, WOW64 and so on, looking for ripped off copies of their products, and when it finds one it dials home and meanwhile kills the synth, etc., it deems unlicensed?

Oh really? What was the source of this information?

I never used any Tone2 overpriced shiny VSTs, but I saw this in the freeware Firebird2 they are giving away. Was told all their installers have it now.

You was told by whom? The Xmas fairy?

Personally, I think their synths all sound the same and geared toward EDM only.

So ... despite never having used them you've decided they all sound the same ...

I think there was some legitimacy to that claim years ago IIRC, but I'm pretty sure they have changed. It was a big deal here for a little while. Never bothered me because I never had cracked copies of their stuff.

I think they do have a similar sheen to them and it's either a love or hate kind of thing, but I agree, most do sound very similar.