KVR Audio

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:55 pm

piel wrote:Have you installed this one? Novation USB Driver-2.6.exe it comes up in MiniNova support downloads.
Maybe you did on your laptop just forgot about it? The launchpad needs it too.

This wasn't installed on the laptop as I don't use the laptop anymore. I simply installed the software/driver combo v1.4b7 to test it out and it worked!

BTW, restart didn't work either!

piel · Post by **piel** » Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:59 pm

I have installed according the control panel:
MiniNova bundle 1.4b7
Novation USB Audio driver 2.6b4
Altough i have a launchpad and an impulse too.

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:02 pm

I have:
MiniNova bundle 1.4b7
Novation USB Audio driver 2.6

Where did you get the v2.6b4 driver? It's ok found it! will try it out.

I have an Impulse but removed it in case it was the problem. Obviously it isn't!

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:06 pm

On attempting to install the USB driver v2.6b4 it is saying the same as I had before, A newer version is installed!

Checking the support page and the beta page tells me that v2.6 is newer than v2.6b4 by 2 days!

piel · Post by **piel** » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:44 pm

Remove it and install the beta first. If it still says a newer is already installed then obviously the removal was not successful.

My last idea is power. If you have a chance to use a powered USB hub or the MiniNova's adapter. It is uncommon for desktop computers but it is a possibility. The FW update also suggest that this might be a problem, when writing to flashmem or eeproms they often need more current. Have you tried Novation support? They are very slow but they did help me one time with success. You live in the UK right? Can't you call Novation UK? Verbal help is always better than a series of slow emails.

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:05 pm

OK will try later as am out.

Nothing else but mouse and keyboard is plugged into the USB ports. If I power the MiniNova by mains will it still send midi via USB?

The only trouble with phone support is cost!

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:28 pm

Well what can I say? Apart from being extremely pissed off! I tried plugging the mains in whilst connected to USB and.... IT WORKS! Hopefully that's all it is.

What I don't understand is why I have an up to date Motherboard, the latest OS, a new synth and it doesn't get enough juice from the MoBo, why? I thought there's supposed to be a minimum spec for USB ports and any equipment using these ports should meet that requirement? That was one of the things that drew me to the MiniNova, being powered by USB and NOT needing mains. Another shit design from Novation! Not suprising, since focusrite got involved Novation seem to have lost something, something major!

Seriously, what is the point in having a USB powered synth that requires mains?

And it does seem to be the cause, because as soon as I used mains it worked, as soon as I switch to USB, it stops working. I can keep going and it always acts accordingly, dependant on mains. This has to be the problem as I've never had it not work one minute then does then doesn't depending on power source! Here's hoping... Though not happy about needing yet another socket! I don't have much room to setup my equipment as I live in a two bed flat with wife and two kids, and one on the way! Little things like this make all the difference to me. As it is I have to use the telly in the front room as my monitor to save space, and that's where my eqipment gets setup each time I want to use it!

I was hoping to replace my Impulse49 with the MN to save space and make it easier to setup, bang goes that idea, thanks Novation!

I am curious though, do you have to plug in the mains? I would guess not or you would have this issue too? Strange that my laptop can supply enough current but my Asus board can't!!! I don't suppose I can do anything about this can I?

Sorry, rant over

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:30 pm

I'm surprised that it could work without main electricity with your laptop or it can work only with usb power!

I'm in the opposite situation that I prefer mains than usb power, but I understand your situation. It might be good to think of a way to put the extension for the socket high enough and hidden from the kids. I don't have kids so the sockets are every where!

The good news then that neither your motherboard nor your nova is faulty and you have finally discovered the reason for your problem

piel · Post by **piel** » Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:27 am

Well what can I say? Apart from being extremely pissed off! I tried plugging the mains in whilst connected to USB and.... IT WORKS! Hopefully that's all it is.

A thanks will do fine.

I'm really happy if we solved this.

What I don't understand is why I have an up to date Motherboard, the latest OS, a new synth and it doesn't get enough juice from the MoBo, why? I thought there's supposed to be a minimum spec for USB ports and any equipment using these ports should meet that requirement? That was one of the things that drew me to the MiniNova, being powered by USB and NOT needing mains. Another shit design from Novation! Not suprising, since focusrite got involved Novation seem to have lost something, something major!

Seriously, what is the point in having a USB powered synth that requires mains?

Let me stick up for Novation here. It is probably not their fault. It is exactly the case as you describe it and it is also common knoledge that manufacturers deviate from the specs set by the standard. The reason is probably technical/financial. Usually it is no problem for a mouse or a camera and ASUS thought it will suffice for the most, but this is a bit more power hungry. And yes there are people who can get it to work via USB. And that is why they added a mains power too.

I was hoping to replace my Impulse49 with the MN to save space and make it easier to setup, bang goes that idea, thanks Novation!

It depends, before i got a fine and huge desk i thought the same. The MN is not ment to be a controller. If you want to play the keyboard it will work fine but it is very clumsy to control other vsts or synths via knobs. (If this is not the case i'm courious how you do it)

I am curious though, do you have to plug in the mains? I would guess not or you would have this issue too? Strange that my laptop can supply enough current but my Asus board can't!!! I don't suppose I can do anything about this can I?

The other option is a powered USB hub and that is what i use for all low speed stuff. All my conrollers and mouse, keyboard, bluetooth are connected to the hub. My audio interface sits in its own port and my USB3 is used by an external HD.
You can check the BIOS if you see some strange settings but i wouldn't put much stock into it.
The other thing is in my case it was not enough to turn the power management profile to performance to turn off PM on the USB ports but this isn't the holy grail either.
Just plug in 5volts and make some music.

Cheers

sl23 · Post by **sl23** » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:01 am

Well, first, I should again show my gratitude, seeing as you've both been kind enough to help. I forgot before what with all the ranting!

You're help is really appreciated and hopefully this has banished the gremlins for good!

I'm off to the isle of wight for a week, so will have to wait until next weekend now. If it works when I get back then it should be problem solved. I'll let you know how I get on. Thanks again for your time and effort in helping with this.

piel · Post by **piel** » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:22 am

You're welcome and have fun on the island.

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:44 am

Sounds to me like the driver isn't Windows 10 compatible.

piel · Post by **piel** » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:46 am

In the opening post he mentioned that he was using win 8.1

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:48 am

I saw Windows 10 mentioned. I wonder which OS is on the laptop. He had no problems with that.

piel · Post by **piel** » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:55 am

It came up later as upgrading might solve the problem, not the other way around. I don't think he upgraded to win10 either.
The problem started on win8.1 and so far it seems it has nothing to do with windows.

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