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Daags · Post by **Daags** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:41 pm

trimph1 wrote:
Daags wrote:
2ZrgE wrote:
trimph1 wrote:
Teksonik wrote:Anyway back on track.......Here's the first winner of the skin contest again so it doesn't get buried. Hopefully there will be other winners as well.
This looks a lot better than what was out before...thank you to whoever did this one!!!
Black text on grey is not very readable. Maybe different sections (Osc, Filters) could have slighly different background colours? Colour coding is always very helpful when patching a synth.

ya. I think it should be easy enough to edit/tweak the colour of text on the skin to your own tastes though ? Unless skins can be 'locked' somehow ?
I think the black text could be put into another colour but for my eyes this would be a good pairing.

agreed!

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:41 pm

Daags wrote:years ago some guy built a hardware controller for poly-ana that matches the GUI. i think that 'galvanised' mike's GUI psychosis in the face of so much userbase protest at its unuseable hideousness. well, you know, money talks at the end of the day and so finally now he's ready to concede to popular opinion that it desperately needs to go and he's allowing significant GUI customisation - but I think he's still got that hard-on about keeping certain layouts and interface relationships in order to cling on to the relevance of the hardware controller that was built. he's not going to officially support something that renders the controller moot, and un-take-advantage-able in terms of a bit of marketing kudos.

or maybe by just having such a heavy hand in 'restrictions' he can cling on to some kind of notion that he had a significant role in designing an actually decent and useable GUI.

/speculation

alternatively, he's just a jerk with no underlying motivation for being so.

Come on, we don't need this now....please.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:43 pm

Daags wrote:years ago some guy built a hardware controller for poly-ana that matches the GUI. i think that 'galvanised' mike's GUI psychosis in the face of so much userbase protest at its unuseable hideousness.

The was a one off controller that cost more than a hardware synth to produce. There is only one in existence so I doubt that has any influence on future GUI's.

Anyway I don't understand why AQ should not be allowed to have some control over how his synth looks and functions. Ask Fruity Loop owners why pre version 12 skins were only partially skinable. Because people were creating eye searing ugly skins and GOL was insulted by them. He didn't want his software to look like that because those skins were embarrassing.........(sound familiar ?).

As for Reaper skins yes there are some equally eye searing ugly skins for it but there is a difference in a company like Cockos whose owner was already a millionaire and a small developer who is just trying to get by.

Product perception is much more important when you're not already a millionaire. No those ugly skins have not hurt Reaper but it's user base is many many times larger than the user base of a single plugin.

Anyway it is what it is. You can criticize a developer than can't defend himself here if you think that's fair. Just don't criticize someone who can defend themselves here or you'll be vilified......

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:53 pm

For those who are not 100% happy with the Hoverland skin I've been told that edits are allowed.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:06 pm

edited (did my final try here which failed...)

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:00 pm

trimph1 wrote:
Daags wrote:years ago some guy built a hardware controller for poly-ana that matches the GUI. i think that 'galvanised' mike's GUI psychosis in the face of so much userbase protest at its unuseable hideousness. well, you know, money talks at the end of the day and so finally now he's ready to concede to popular opinion that it desperately needs to go and he's allowing significant GUI customisation - but I think he's still got that hard-on about keeping certain layouts and interface relationships in order to cling on to the relevance of the hardware controller that was built. he's not going to officially support something that renders the controller moot, and un-take-advantage-able in terms of a bit of marketing kudos.

or maybe by just having such a heavy hand in 'restrictions' he can cling on to some kind of notion that he had a significant role in designing an actually decent and useable GUI.

/speculation

alternatively, he's just a jerk with no underlying motivation for being so.
Come on, we don't need this now....please.

come on, you do realise that if you sincerely don't like a train of discussion and want to move past or away from it - you probably shouldn't quote it AND emphasis it with bold font ??

or maybe you'd just rather not pass up an opportunity to occupy some kind of moral high ground

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:02 pm

Teksonik wrote:For those who are not 100% happy with the Hoverland skin I've been told that edits are allowed.

kool, thanks for confirming ... but you mean - 'technically possible', rather than 'allowed' right ?

because I don't really need permission to edit something I have no intention of sharing/publishing.

fluffy_little_something · Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:12 pm

That whole user skinning business is ridiculous, anyway. It's up to the developer to come up with a user-friendly interface, whether they do it themselves or hire someone to do it for them. Then there is no need to waste so much time on skinning. And if a developer doesn't provide a user-friendly skin, well, then they will be punished by the market, and deservedly so.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:18 pm

Daags wrote:
Teksonik wrote:For those who are not 100% happy with the Hoverland skin I've been told that edits are allowed.
kool, thanks for confirming ... but you mean - 'technically possible', rather than 'allowed' right ?
because I don't really need permission to edit something I have no intention of sharing/publishing.

Sorry I should have said and I quote "that it's all freely shareable". So to my understanding if you do an edit to the Hoverland skin you can share it. That's not just up to AQ but to Hoverland as well. Some artists take offense at people editing their work and to be honest I don't really blame them.

For example sharing edits of the Alchemy factory skins was forbidden because the artists...Bitplant...didn't want anyone editing their work. Fair enough.

The same will apply to sharing edits of any future skins by other artists. The artist must approve, most do, some encourage editing.

Of course no one can stop you from editing anything and keeping for yourself. I do that all the time. Almost every plugin I own that allows skinning I've done edits to because I like plain grey and muted blue colors when using a plugin for hours. It reduces eye fatigue for me at least.

I've done an edit of the Hoverland skin and posted it here for about 30 seconds then thought better of it......I'll just keep it to myself for the time being at least.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:20 pm

edited (did my final try here which failed now...)

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:21 pm

Teksonik wrote:
Daags wrote:
Teksonik wrote:For those who are not 100% happy with the Hoverland skin I've been told that edits are allowed.
kool, thanks for confirming ... but you mean - 'technically possible', rather than 'allowed' right ?
because I don't really need permission to edit something I have no intention of sharing/publishing.
Sorry I should have said and I quote "that it's all freely shareable". So to my understanding if you do an edit to the Hoverland skin you can share it.

kool, good to know.
Hoverland is a good base skin (best for the synth so far, imo), it's good that he allows it to be edited and subsequently shared, for the purposes of alternative colour schemes at least.

cheers!

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:27 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:That whole user skinning business is ridiculous, anyway. It's up to the developer to come up with a user-friendly interface,

The problem is "user friendly" can have a lot of meanings. Hard for any developer to provide enough skins that everybody finds user friendly. User skinning allows people to customize the interface to fit their personal needs and style. I wish every plugin allowed user skinning. It's actually a very desirable feature.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:33 pm

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fluffy_little_something · Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:34 pm

Teksonik wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:That whole user skinning business is ridiculous, anyway. It's up to the developer to come up with a user-friendly interface,
The problem is "user friendly" can have a lot of meanings. Hard for any developer to provide enough skins that everybody finds user friendly. User skinning allows people to customize the interface to fit their personal needs and style. I wish every plugin allowed user skinning. It's actually a very desirable feature.

I don't really think so. There are solid rules for making a GUI user-friendly. Either those rules and guidelines are observed or not.

What happens is that many people seem to prefer messing around with superficial things like skins to actually making music, or at least trying to (like in my case

), which is the whole point of music plugins.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:49 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:I don't really think so.

Then you'd be wrong..........

fluffy_little_something wrote:What happens is that many people seem to prefer messing around with superficial things like........instead of actually making music

Like posting in forum threads about skins instead of making music ?

Anyway Great Post Theo ! You said everything that was on my mind.....

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