KVR Audio

HcDoom · Post by **HcDoom** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:03 am

To me, this plugin sounds like an eq...competiton offers are better.

hivkorn · Post by **hivkorn** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:38 am

I try to load it in mono & stereo version but it crash everytime (Studio 1 V2 and Studio 1 V3)...I repair permission but it continue to crash....someone here have load it without crash under osx + S1 ?

Problem solved:
If it crash under osx 10.8.5 with S1 v2 and S1 v3 :

1 => download the latest offline instaler
2 => re-install ALL your waves plugin

careyletendre · Post by **careyletendre** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:21 pm

hivkorn wrote:
I try to load it in mono & stereo version but it crash everytime (Studio 1 V2 and Studio 1 V3)...I repair permission but it continue to crash....someone here have load it without crash under osx + S1 ?

Problem solved:
If it crash under osx 10.8.5 with S1 v2 and S1 v3 :

1 => download the latest offline instaler
2 => re-install ALL your waves plugin

I had the same problem. Had to reinstall my entire Mercury bundle; then go through the tedious task of having to manually remove the ones I don't use.

Carey

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:55 pm

Gamma-UT wrote:I've tried it against the Melda Saturator, starting off with the Waves '3D' preset, one of the master-bus presets Waves has created, although with the tape mode switched off. It's fairly subtle, but out of the box, the Waves preset does a decent job.

Saphira behaves a bit differently on transients to the more general-purpose saturator - so I guess they have some envelope follower or detector in there to not mess with hard transients too much but to push the saturation onto the decay. As a result, Klanghelm's SDRR with slow dynamics could possibly substitute, perhaps used in parallel on sends to provide more control over even and odd harmonics.

It's a 48 second clip. The first third (two rounds of a four-bar segment) is clean, the second segment is Saphira, the final third is Melda MMultibandSaturator. Sorry about the abrupt start and finish, I didn't bother cleaning it up.

MP3 example

Thanks for posting. Too subtle for me to honestly notice a thing on cans here from the mp3.

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:59 pm

noiseboyuk wrote:Thanks for posting. Too subtle for me to honestly notice a thing on cans here from the mp3.

I think that's why they're not posting audio examples. You run the risk of pushing something like this too far and making the mix sound weird or like you've put some cartoon effect on it, or it's subtle and difficult for anyone who hasn't mixed the material to pick out.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:53 pm

Gamma-UT wrote:
noiseboyuk wrote:Thanks for posting. Too subtle for me to honestly notice a thing on cans here from the mp3.
I think that's why they're not posting audio examples. You run the risk of pushing something like this too far and making the mix sound weird or like you've put some cartoon effect on it, or it's subtle and difficult for anyone who hasn't mixed the material to pick out.

If it's the case that any change that's actually audible to the audience is bad, then I think I can safely save myself 99 bucks on this one.

hivkorn · Post by **hivkorn** » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:53 pm

careyletendre
I had the same problem. Had to reinstall my entire Mercury bundle; then go through the tedious task of having to manually remove the ones I don't use.

I just re-install the one i own and it work , no need to install all the plugin.

Andy Gone · Post by **Andy Gone** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:16 am

Gamma-UT wrote:I've tried it against the Melda Saturator, starting off with the Waves '3D' preset, one of the master-bus presets Waves has created, although with the tape mode switched off. It's fairly subtle, but out of the box, the Waves preset does a decent job.

Saphira behaves a bit differently on transients to the more general-purpose saturator - so I guess they have some envelope follower or detector in there to not mess with hard transients too much but to push the saturation onto the decay. As a result, Klanghelm's SDRR with slow dynamics could possibly substitute, perhaps used in parallel on sends to provide more control over even and odd harmonics.

It's a 48 second clip. The first third (two rounds of a four-bar segment) is clean, the second segment is Saphira, the final third is Melda MMultibandSaturator. Sorry about the abrupt start and finish, I didn't bother cleaning it up.

MP3 example

Thanks for posting, this is interesting. I can hear very subtle something on the MP3, but I better check it myself to hear it better.

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:43 am

Andy Gone wrote:Thanks for posting, this is interesting. I can hear very subtle something on the MP3, but I better check it myself to hear it better.

I can upload a WAV, but realistically it's something you have to hear on material you are familiar with. I did this mainly as an exercise to get something like the Melda plugin into the same ballpark and was happy enough with the results. I aim to have a go with the free Soundhack Chebyshev plugin, probably using it on a send to get the EQ control. I can't see a reason why it shouldn't work. The Waves one is simply set up to get results faster.

Andy Gone · Post by **Andy Gone** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:50 am

Yeah, it's better to check on already known material. Gonna mess a little bit with it

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:22 pm

I foresee a future where people create scratchy, ear-shredding tracks by overcooking the settings on stuff like this. Stick the output of this into a 'character' compressor, and you are going to be taking up residence in Alias City.

lol

Don't you really just want listen to that guy talk about how it sounds, anyway?

spot on

Waves supporter here, but I agree with both points.

_gl · Post by **_gl** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:23 pm

Agreed it's sutble if you're going for vibe instead of distortion, like all vibe plugs are (Slate etc). You really have to try it, you need to dial in the exact amount that works on a particular track for your ears.

For me, OK it does something useful (the harmonics EQ is very handy), but there are so many other ways to get a little ana vibe or saturation. If it does follow transients then that's nice over a general saturator, but in the end it's all about character and whatever sounds right to you.

The other issue is that if you get all the params into magic-land, super, but until you do it can sound bad. Sometimes it's simpler/faster to just drive it into something vibey you already know the signature of.

So I can't justify the money, but that's me.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:48 pm

The problem I ran into fwiw was that it's kinda ridiculous to have so many of a similar flavor. For example, let's say you own vitamin (good product) slate VCC (another good product) and maybe some saturater (like satin for example)

Ok, now what? Well, you'll still need to eq and maybe depending on taste do compression. So then listen to your mix. Chances are excellent it will suck ass. It's just too much emulations and stuff clipping stuff (unless your gain staging is perfect) and mud will ensue.

So, on it's own? Could be nice and I have no doubt it's a fine product, but if you have the other stuff I'm really skeptical that it can be introduced and actually improve anything.

_gl · Post by **_gl** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:26 am

Agreed, you have to be super-careful not to get too much roughness in there. Saying that, I just found a nice 'sheen' and 'opening-up' setting that does work well. I think this would be most useful for mastering, for that final custom sheen.

Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:28 am

incubus wrote:So then listen to your mix. Chances are excellent it will suck ass.

No it won't. It will eat shit. Get your facts right before you post.

.-.

waves Cobalt Saphira