How did the current trend of mainstream pop start?

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do_androids_dream wrote:
There is no 'problem'. It's simply that it's not your taste. Many folks happen to very minimal pop music - it's in fact very hard to do it well (and to mix it effectively).
It's not well done. The frequencies are all wrong, because they cause headache even in low volumes. They almost brake (i don't know the english word for that) windows and shake buildings. There was recently a summer festival miles (it was far far away) away from where I live and the buzz saw-racket shook the building, almost broke the windows and garnered numerous complaints, from Heavy Metal-fans to regular folk to old folk. So I though, what about the people in the festival? Do they somehow adapt to that unhuman noise? I've spent hundreds of hours with my earphones on or monitors in high volume in mixing or recording sessions. I play an electric guitar, I do EDM. I listen to and mix. But I still find it untolerable. It simply sounds wrong. Are these producers so old, it's them who've gone deaf? And the audience, who are already used to high "adapt" even further?

[/quote]What exactly do you fear?[/quote]

Less musical context, more noise, more buzz saw. More deafness to those who don't adapt. Or just deafness.

[/quote]'Progress' is a completely false concept with regard to music. Music simply changes.[/quote]

There has been a clear progress in mainstream pop. It was very much Glam-Rock, electronic and cheesy pop-tunes in the 80s. During the 80s and 90s Hip-Hop became popular and the 2000s pop was influenced by it. Yes, those are changes, but it is progression.
There has also been a progress in guitar music, like someone noted in another thread I read a while ago. In the early days, old people couldn't stand the sound of even slighty amped guitars. And look at heavy metal now. But heavy metal is a sub-genre with a smaller audience than mainstream music. And mainstream music eventually penetrates your everyday life if you go out, or as I pointed out, if you don't. That's what I'm making all this fuss about.

[/quote]Dude be young embrace the noise[/quote]

If only I could. But there is a limit of noise one can stand, at least for a generation. Isn't music all about expression? Can it be expression, if it is all noise?

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OK friend...who am I to tell you how to feel...or what to think. You are a man of your convictions. If a man don't stand for something, he'll fall for anything. Good Luck and Good Music. :clap:
"Everything we hear is an opinion,not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective,not the truth." _ Marcus Aurelius

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I don't even know what modern Pop sounds like, can you link a typical song on YT? I guess I stopped listening to Pop music in the 90's when all those female sirens were getting on my nerves.

Mainstream Pop was never good music, that is why it is mainstream :hihi: Most people are simple-minded, to put it mildly. They just want simple stuff to dance to or sing along, or be played in the background so that there is no silence.

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Aryaroman wrote:There has been a clear progress in mainstream pop. It was very much Glam-Rock, electronic and cheesy pop-tunes in the 80s.
Now somebody's gonna leap to the defense of Men Without Hats, A-Ha and Robert Palmer.

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fluffy_little_something wrote:I don't even know what modern Pop sounds like, can you link a typical song on YT? I guess I stopped listening to Pop music in the 90's when all those female sirens were getting on my nerves.

Mainstream Pop was never good music, that is why it is mainstream :hihi: Most people are simple-minded, to put it mildly. They just want simple stuff to dance to or sing along, or be played in the background so that there is no silence.


Here's a David Guetta concert

I think the whole "spectacle" is enough to prove my point. Hear the contrast and listen to as he turns Bang Bang or Smells Like Teen Spirit into an electronic super charged mush and turn the volume all the way up:
DSmolken wrote:
Aryaroman wrote:There has been a clear progress in mainstream pop. It was very much Glam-Rock, electronic and cheesy pop-tunes in the 80s.
Now somebody's gonna leap to the defense of Men Without Hats, A-Ha and Robert Palmer.
Oh, let me, let me. I said, "very much," but maybe just much will do. :D Funny I forgot they were so popular since I wasn't born back then. Oh, l'm a fan of A-Ha, Phil Collins, Hall & Oates, the list goes on & on... Yes, thankfully there has always been the gems. These days, just less and less. But the mainstream music culture has become more transparent and convoluted, since we have more than MTV. In my
childhood is was still all MTV. Internet was there already, but not like today. Oh, I am getting old. :dog
Karma_tba wrote:OK friend...who am I to tell you how to feel...or what to think. You are a man of your convictions. If a man don't stand for something, he'll fall for anything. Good Luck and Good Music. :clap:[/quote

Thank You for your kind words. I was sorry to hear about Your cancer. I hope You have have pushed/push through.

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Well. We've gone from "Thriller" to "Addicted to You". If that doesn't tell you all you need to know, I doesn'ts know whats to tells ya.

Check out the video for it, by the way. It's great. A real cultural masterpiece. As a little music-nerdy bit of fun, see if you can stem the tide of laughter and wincing long enough to spot the studio errors in the music. I found two really obvious ones - three if you count the fact that one got copied/pasted within the track.
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Sendy wrote:Well. We've gone from "Thriller" to "Addicted to You". If that doesn't tell you all you need to know, I doesn'ts know whats to tells ya.

Check out the video for it, by the way. It's great. A real cultural masterpiece. As a little music-nerdy bit of fun, see if you can stem the tide of laughter and wincing long enough to spot the studio errors in the music. I found two really obvious ones - three if you count the fact that one got copied/pasted within the track.
Which song are You talking about? In the latter, we have a great and expressive female vocalist, who also fortunately seems to lend her vocals to every other radio tune these days. And then she's almost sidelined by the repeating copy-paste electronics. It's a nice song, the ideas are good, but the electronics seem to clash with the vocalist. It's as if they're competing with her, instead of supporting.

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Aryaroman wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:I don't even know what modern Pop sounds like, can you link a typical song on YT? I guess I stopped listening to Pop music in the 90's when all those female sirens were getting on my nerves.

Mainstream Pop was never good music, that is why it is mainstream :hihi: Most people are simple-minded, to put it mildly. They just want simple stuff to dance to or sing along, or be played in the background so that there is no silence.


Here's a David Guetta concert

I think the whole "spectacle" is enough to prove my point. Hear the contrast and listen to as he turns Bang Bang or Smells Like Teen Spirit into an electronic super charged mush and turn the volume all the way up:
DSmolken wrote:
Aryaroman wrote:There has been a clear progress in mainstream pop. It was very much Glam-Rock, electronic and cheesy pop-tunes in the 80s.
Now somebody's gonna leap to the defense of Men Without Hats, A-Ha and Robert Palmer.
Oh, let me, let me. I said, "very much," but maybe just much will do. :D Funny I forgot they were so popular since I wasn't born back then. Oh, l'm a fan of A-Ha, Phil Collins, Hall & Oates, the list goes on & on... Yes, thankfully there has always been the gems. These days, just less and less. But the mainstream music culture has become more transparent and convoluted, since we have more than MTV. In my
childhood is was still all MTV. Internet was there already, but not like today. Oh, I am getting old. :dog
Karma_tba wrote:OK friend...who am I to tell you how to feel...or what to think. You are a man of your convictions. If a man don't stand for something, he'll fall for anything. Good Luck and Good Music. :clap:[/quote

Thank You for your kind words. I was sorry to hear about Your cancer. I hope You have have pushed/push through.

Oh my 8)

There was vulgar stuff in the past as well, think of Kelis or Madonna, but vulgar is vulgar, and as such embarrassing no matter when.
I jumped to some arbitrary point within the concert, it would drive me crazy to listen to that for more than a minute.

I don't know either of those artists and all that crap reminds me why I only listen to old music :)

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fluffy_little_something wrote:There was vulgar stuff in the past as well, think of Kelis or Madonna, but vulgar is vulgar, and as such embarrassing no matter when.
Kelis? Madonna? :o

They're both great artists!

I'm still dancing like crazy listening to Kelis "Trick Me", no matter with or without the word "dick"! 8)


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Haha.. epic! You should listen to what Karma_tba said because it's the bloody truth! :lol:
Dude be young embrace the noise. I use to listen to certain songs just because they irked the older folks...rub your youth in the faces of old bastards like me. F*ck up, F*ck down, and side ways ...you'll never get another chance.
Whoever wants music instead of noise, joy instead of pleasure, soul instead of gold, creative work instead of business, passion instead of foolery, finds no home in this trivial world of ours.

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Tricky-Loops wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:There was vulgar stuff in the past as well, think of Kelis or Madonna, but vulgar is vulgar, and as such embarrassing no matter when.
Kelis? Madonna? :o

They're both great artists!

I'm still dancing like crazy listening to Kelis "Trick Me", no matter with or without the word "dick"! 8)

Well, Kelis is leagues above Madonna in my view, she is more like Marvin Gaye, a troubled genius, whereas Madonna has always been utterly commercial, more like a music prostitute.

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Bill Clinton started it:


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Tricky-Loops wrote:I'm still dancing like crazy listening to Kelis "Trick Me", no matter with or without the word "dick"! 8)

This is creepy. This is really creepy. I've been listening to Trick Me for a few weeks after well over 10 years. I've had it playing in my mind or stereos many times when posting in this thread. This is... creepy. :o

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There is no argument to be had in this thread. It's ALL taste. There is no such thing as bad music - just music you don't happen to like.
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Genius minimal pop - super minimal arrangement - super catchy hooks - awesome mix. f**king hard to pull off.

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