But not only apple then.....
At least for mac users Logic is now the best bang for the buck i can imagine for all the things you get.
Still downloading the update (very very slow net here).
When is see it right it is the full version 2.0!
Really sorry for you windows people. I was going to change to windows too..... äähhm..... not anymore.
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- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Why spend $199 on Logic, when Alchemy is also included with the $29 Mainstage ?Cinebient wrote:At least for mac users Logic is now the best bang for the buck i can imagine for all the things you get.
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- KVRAF
- 5201 posts since 16 Nov, 2014
Have you full access to the synth engine there.... I don't think so or?Numanoid wrote:Why spend $199 on Logic, when Alchemy is also included with the $29 Mainstage ?Cinebient wrote:At least for mac users Logic is now the best bang for the buck i can imagine for all the things you get.
I don't use mainstage.
Then it would be a gift!
Alone the alchemy synth plus the content is worth more than Logic's price.
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- KVRAF
- 5564 posts since 13 Jan, 2005 from the bottom of my heart
The real price was already paid by other people long before.Cinebient wrote:Alone the alchemy synth plus the content is worth more than Logic's price.
Whoever wants music instead of noise, joy instead of pleasure, soul instead of gold, creative work instead of business, passion instead of foolery, finds no home in this trivial world of ours.
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- KVRAF
- 1758 posts since 21 Dec, 2012
Mainstage has also the full Alchemy Synthesizer inside 
Better morphing. Advanced cross-synthesis now improves audio morphing, incorporating all the details of the sound (additive, spectral, formant, pitch, envelope). You also get more options in the interface.
More precise additive resynthesis, spectral resynthesis. These are really a big part of what sets Alchemy apart, and they’re vastly expanded. There are more additive effects (Pulse/Saw, Harmonic, Beating, Stretch, Shift, Magnet, Spread, Auto Pan). And you get more precise control of both additive and spectral resynthesis – the algorithms themselves have been sonically improved, we’re told. And there’s a new partial tracker, you have more editing options, and you can see everything you’re doing via real-time spectrogram. Spectral resynthesis also works in stereo now, as well, and supports masking.
Powerful formant and granular modes. Loads of depth here, too, including elaborate controls for formant resynthesis (with multiple filter shapes), and multi-tap granular controls you can space out across a stereo field.
Added pitch correction. Correct pitch to unison, octave, fifth, a combination of fifth/octave, or chromatically, with adjustments for amount and speed.
Use the sampler with EXS24. You can now import Logic’s EXS24 sampler instruments directly into the Alchemy sampler, meaning access to Logic’s own library and lots of third-party content. The Sampler module itself is also more powerful, with a reverse mode, automatic keymapping, and new keymap editor and group editor.
Bring the noise. The virtual analog side of things is expanded, too – sync, anti-aliased PWM, waveform shape display, and a noise section with 13 noise types (not just white and pink).
New filters. These are all-new, with both enhanced comb filters, and redesigned analog filter emulations, plus added “Bee,” FM, Compressor, LP10 and HP10 modes.
Modulation and arpeggiators that are kind of insane. Alchemy adds per-source arpeggiators and reorganized editors for source controls and the arpeggiator. And you can modulate all kinds of things. You can switch patterns with modulation (yipes, one-note presets, anyone?), modulate the rate knob, modulate keyswitches, and see visual feedback in real-time.
Envelopes with more power. You get graphical AHDSR with tempo sync. And there are envelope followers at eight points in the signal chain.
More samples and easier browsing. Alchemy now has 3100 presets plus 300 Logic patches, and a 14 GB sample library. (Fortunately, that sample library is an optional download from the store, just like other extended Logic content.) To navigate all of the included content or manage your own sounds, there’s a redesigned browser with expanded drag-and-drop support.
Dial-in controls if you want to improvise / don’t want to get too deep. Alchemy’s X/Y pads and transforms already resembled Apple’s own work on making Smart Controls. The idea: give people a few knobs to dial up variations on much deeper sound engines. So, little surprise here: Alchemy will be fully integrated in the Logic interface, which means access from those Smart Controls and the accompanying iPad app remote.
But it’s more efficient. Apple says they’ve reduced CPU usage.
Better morphing. Advanced cross-synthesis now improves audio morphing, incorporating all the details of the sound (additive, spectral, formant, pitch, envelope). You also get more options in the interface.
More precise additive resynthesis, spectral resynthesis. These are really a big part of what sets Alchemy apart, and they’re vastly expanded. There are more additive effects (Pulse/Saw, Harmonic, Beating, Stretch, Shift, Magnet, Spread, Auto Pan). And you get more precise control of both additive and spectral resynthesis – the algorithms themselves have been sonically improved, we’re told. And there’s a new partial tracker, you have more editing options, and you can see everything you’re doing via real-time spectrogram. Spectral resynthesis also works in stereo now, as well, and supports masking.
Powerful formant and granular modes. Loads of depth here, too, including elaborate controls for formant resynthesis (with multiple filter shapes), and multi-tap granular controls you can space out across a stereo field.
Added pitch correction. Correct pitch to unison, octave, fifth, a combination of fifth/octave, or chromatically, with adjustments for amount and speed.
Use the sampler with EXS24. You can now import Logic’s EXS24 sampler instruments directly into the Alchemy sampler, meaning access to Logic’s own library and lots of third-party content. The Sampler module itself is also more powerful, with a reverse mode, automatic keymapping, and new keymap editor and group editor.
Bring the noise. The virtual analog side of things is expanded, too – sync, anti-aliased PWM, waveform shape display, and a noise section with 13 noise types (not just white and pink).
New filters. These are all-new, with both enhanced comb filters, and redesigned analog filter emulations, plus added “Bee,” FM, Compressor, LP10 and HP10 modes.
Modulation and arpeggiators that are kind of insane. Alchemy adds per-source arpeggiators and reorganized editors for source controls and the arpeggiator. And you can modulate all kinds of things. You can switch patterns with modulation (yipes, one-note presets, anyone?), modulate the rate knob, modulate keyswitches, and see visual feedback in real-time.
Envelopes with more power. You get graphical AHDSR with tempo sync. And there are envelope followers at eight points in the signal chain.
More samples and easier browsing. Alchemy now has 3100 presets plus 300 Logic patches, and a 14 GB sample library. (Fortunately, that sample library is an optional download from the store, just like other extended Logic content.) To navigate all of the included content or manage your own sounds, there’s a redesigned browser with expanded drag-and-drop support.
Dial-in controls if you want to improvise / don’t want to get too deep. Alchemy’s X/Y pads and transforms already resembled Apple’s own work on making Smart Controls. The idea: give people a few knobs to dial up variations on much deeper sound engines. So, little surprise here: Alchemy will be fully integrated in the Logic interface, which means access from those Smart Controls and the accompanying iPad app remote.
But it’s more efficient. Apple says they’ve reduced CPU usage.
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- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Now I don't know, Alchemy was listed at the top of the plug/sounds Mainstage page an hour ago, now it has been removedCinebient wrote:Have you full access to the synth engine there.... I don't think so or?
I don't use mainstage.
Then it would be a gift!
Alone the alchemy synth plus the content is worth more than Logic's price.
https://www.apple.com/no/mainstage/plugins-and-sounds/
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- KVRAF
- 3034 posts since 6 Jul, 2013
Has the Mainstage update including Alchemy been posted yet?
I haven't seen a MS update...
I haven't seen a MS update...
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- KVRAF
- 1758 posts since 21 Dec, 2012
works here in Mainstage 3
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- KVRAF
- 3034 posts since 6 Jul, 2013
Cool, thanks. This was included in the MS 3.2 update, apparently.MillerSam wrote:works here in Mainstage 3
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- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
No wonder Apples bandwidth gets hit.
If Logic users also got Mainstage, they gotta download the 15GB Alchemy update twice then?
If Logic users also got Mainstage, they gotta download the 15GB Alchemy update twice then?
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- KVRAF
- 5201 posts since 16 Nov, 2014
Oh damn.... that puts Omnisphere 2 back.....
I know Alchemy is not perfect but for me it's now the best synth i can imagine.
Well, i will get some of those fantastic Omnisphere 2 phrases inside it and will experiment with the new engine
I'm really surprised that it was really fast integrated in Logic
I know Alchemy is not perfect but for me it's now the best synth i can imagine.
Well, i will get some of those fantastic Omnisphere 2 phrases inside it and will experiment with the new engine
I'm really surprised that it was really fast integrated in Logic
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- KVRAF
- 1758 posts since 21 Dec, 2012
I have download only Mainstage 3.2 Update and I don't have the space for additional 14 GB.
It works well also without extra content
It works well also without extra content
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- KVRian
- 1256 posts since 15 Mar, 2007 from Yorkshire, England
this is just rubbing it in 
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- KVRAF
- 5201 posts since 16 Nov, 2014
I also have no space left.... seems i must outsource some stuff to an extern ssd. Is it really all new content and patches?
I have all the original Alchemy patch banks (i think about 30)!
I have all the original Alchemy patch banks (i think about 30)!
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Sampleconstruct Sampleconstruct https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=191286 - KVRAF
- 16733 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
From the other thread:
So if you move the LogicX folder with the Alchemy samples to an external and create an Alias, you're ready to go. The sample folder for sample content from version 1 is located automatically as the sample paths are stored in the old presets.
Library (not user)/Application Support/Logic/Alchemy Samples
