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knowix · Post by **knowix** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:04 pm

overhishead wrote:
Xoxos would easily be the 'King of Physical Modelling Pop' if he had a firm behind him like Urs Heckman does, coding to his whim, putting out Juce-frontend cross platform 64bit stuff with easy to understand and top notch graphic designed GUIs. Let's give that guy a billion dollars.

Urs was a one man band when Xoxos was a one man band. Urs grew his business while Xoxos became ever more eccentric. A more apt comparison is Urs and Harry Gohs from Virsyn. Neither are likely to end up claiming they're living rough in a tent in the desert...

knowix · Post by **knowix** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:05 pm

overhishead wrote:
Xoxos would easily be the 'King of Physical Modelling Pop' if he had a firm behind him like Urs Heckman does, coding to his whim, putting out Juce-frontend cross platform 64bit stuff with easy to understand and top notch graphic designed GUIs. Let's give that guy a billion dollars.

Urs was a one man band when Xoxos was a one man band. Urs grew his business while Xoxos became ever more eccentric. A more apt comparison is Urs and Harry Gohs from Virsyn. Neither are likely to end up claiming they're living rough in a tent in the desert...

Ed A. · Post by **Ed A.** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:49 am

fmr wrote:As a synth that is not based in a modular architecture (eg - it doesn't force you to create the building blocks to start with), then Sculpture (which is part of Logic Pro X and Main Stage) is the best one. Again, IMO.

Sculpture is my favorite physical modeling synth, I come up with some of the weirdest sounds using it.

I also like AAS Chromaphone and Madronalabs Kaivo a lot.

I have Tassman which is cool, but I do agree that it needs a major update. AAS StringStudio is pretty good too.
I'm also not a fan of the othe AAS stuff that emulates guitars or electric pianos. I like physical modeling for more abstract sounds and not emulations. My only exception to this is Pianoteq, some of their piano models are fantastic.

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:07 am

fluffy_little_something wrote:I don't see any real difference between Ultra Analog and other subtractive synths.

Michael L wrote:Here is the signal flow for Ultra Analog:

fluffy_little_something wrote:Sooo?

Welllll, do you see any real difference?

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fluffy_little_something wrote:What about that diagram is typical of pm? Sorry, I don't see it

Precisely. In my (too) subtle way, I agreed with you by 'letting the facts speak for themselves' to show no difference.

fluffy_little_something · Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:10 am

OK

Greetings to the other end of the world

overhishead · Post by **overhishead** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:33 am

knowix wrote:
overhishead wrote:
Xoxos would easily be the 'King of Physical Modelling Pop' if he had a firm behind him like Urs Heckman does, coding to his whim, putting out Juce-frontend cross platform 64bit stuff with easy to understand and top notch graphic designed GUIs. Let's give that guy a billion dollars.
Urs was a one man band when Xoxos was a one man band. Urs grew his business while Xoxos became ever more eccentric. A more apt comparison is Urs and Harry Gohs from Virsyn. Neither are likely to end up claiming they're living rough in a tent in the desert...

Maybe Urs is just a better businessman. On the other hand The USA doesnt have the infrastructure for 'the little guy' to put their head down and create a good piece of software. Aside from the rare freak. No other excuse why there is so little really great American made music software. In Germany, university is free and no one starves unless they want to. Maybe Its the damn Conspiracy, not piracy, at fault in this regard.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:00 am

NI Kontour is not a physcial modelling synth, so my post is kinda offtopic, but it is really good at sumilating plucked and mallet instruments, very organic sound

loungepanda · Post by **loungepanda** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 10:34 am

knowix wrote:Urs was a one man band when Xoxos was a one man band. Urs grew his business while Xoxos became ever more eccentric. A more apt comparison is Urs and Harry Gohs from Virsyn. Neither are likely to end up claiming they're living rough in a tent in the desert...

oh wow... You weren't kidding. His sub-forum is a total goldmine.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:10 am

overhishead wrote:Maybe Urs is just a better businessman. On the other hand The USA doesnt have the infrastructure for 'the little guy' to put their head down and create a good piece of software. Aside from the rare freak. No other excuse why there is so little really great American made music software.

And yet so many of the really big names (individuals and companies) in audio and audio DSP are American.

Its kind of why Yamaha, a japanese company, went to Stanford University, for the technology behind what was the first commercial Physical Modelling synthesiser. (Yamaha, of course, also got the DX7's FM technology from John Chowning at Stanford.)
Then of course there's Max Mathew who kinda defined 'music software' in the first place, and folk like Miller Puckette, Perry Cook, Julius O Smith, James Moorer, the folk at Lexicon and Eventide and Synclavier yada yada.
And of course the first Digital Audio Workstations (minicomputer based stuff like Soundstream, through to ProTools) were pretty much all products of American companies.

Basically the folk who invented the stuff that you're implying is somehow 'great' when coded up by someone else.

fluffy_little_something · Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:12 am

Things move on. The US also used to make good physical products, now they are mostly made elsewhere...

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:57 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:Things move on. The US also used to make good physical products, now they are mostly made elsewhere...

They still do. It's just the world will no longer pay the price of that quality and innovation. Instead they would rather buy disposables or wait for end of life to which American designers said 'Okay, time to outsource'; we'll set up [sweat]shops in China, India, Mexico and others for the masses. Looking at my software, the same three countries for innovation and design keep showing up the most though.
US, Japan, Germany. (Although I like my French and French-Canadian products a lot too).

The easiest and most immediate example for a US company to point out would be Fender Guitars.
Compare the model, country and price and the pattern is clear.

fluffy_little_something · Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:13 pm

Not really, with tech stuff Asian countries are leading these days, which also shows in the patent count, where China, Japan and Korea are among the leaders, especially impressive when one considers patents per capita for the latter two.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Int ... Indicators

The old notion that made in Asia means lower quality compared to the West is no longer true.

Yes, Fender is not bad, but totally overpriced for what one gets, same with Gibson and many other US brands.
I remember reading that the Marcus Miller bass is made in the US and in Japan, and while the Japanese model is cheaper, it is better in terms of quality. The Japanese craftsmanship is superior.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:44 pm

I'd be actually more interested in Physical Modelling Synths guys - drag that country discussion somewhere else please.

Thanks and Cheers,

Tom

Chandlerhimself · Post by **Chandlerhimself** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:32 am

I hope more companies start making physical modeling synths. I love chromaphone and I just got string studio. I've been using Wiviband for a while and I really like it. I hope it picks up in the next few years, because I'd like to see some physically modeled violins, etc. Someone made one in reaktor, but IMO there should be more companies working on this. Samples are great, but it would be nice to have something more playable and with the ability to mold the sound. I don't think the world needs anymore analog style synths. I'd like companies to try something new.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:12 am

My goodness... counting numbers of patents means nothing in determining the intellectual output of a nation or company. The whole function of patents (and intellectual property law in general) has been perverted to serve anticompetitive functions, not further innovation and protect inventors as originally intended. The number of pointless (and even copycat patents) on the books is insane. It's about shutting out competitors by patenting any damned thing they can, regardless of intent to deliver or originality. Software patents are the absolute worst. They weren't even accepted by the patent office in the USA until the computer industry heavyweights lobbied the issue to death. Now independent developers find themselves being sued out of business because of obscure patent filings and zealous overreaching legalese financed by heaving corporate war chests.

Physical Modelling synths