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dformd · Post by **dformd** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:18 am

Probably, but the apps with the depth, flexibility, and expressive control I'm interested in are almost entirely designed for iPads. The iPad app market is where I see innovation happening (with regards to music creation apps); not the iPhone market. Screen size does make a difference.

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:40 am

I bought an iPad for music apps last October. I primarily purchased it to use the Alchemy player as as remote control and a standalone synth. Even though I'm a PC user I recognized the iPad won on latency and developer base.

However, almost year later, I regret the decision. It started mostly due to Alchemy being purchased by Apple. The immediate pulling of the app from the store made me realize things I purchase for the iPad can disappear at any time and I have little I can do to stop it. I know there are hacks and tricks to try and re-install the Alchemy Player: but that's the point. They're hacks and tricks. Other apps like Animoog had long periods of crashes and hangs during the bumpy transistion to iOS 8. I know it's not entirely Moog's fault but trying to use it as an instrument, and not an amusing toy, became difficult.

It made me realize how incredibly closed the iPad ecosystem is and how much Apple can manipulate it. Android is a little better, you can at least side-load apk files with little hassle. But neither are as nice as a normal PC or Mac.

Since then I've stopped purchasing any apps. I'll use free ones, like Omni TR (an awesome controller). But I no longer trust the platform and I sure as heck won't be getting an iPad "pro". For $800 I could build a great mini-itx Core i7 PC that can run VSTis and I can control with my Novation ReMote and put my older copy of Alchemy on. I can also put Omnisphere on it and control it with the Omni TR. I think that's a much better use of $800. That's my $0.02 on the subject at least.

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:05 am

They call an iOS9 device "pro"? This remains the biggest mystery IMO...

dformd · Post by **dformd** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:38 am

I just think if the iPad Pro is indeed a PRO touch screen-oriented device it should AT LEAST offer the degree of touch screen functionality found in every other touch screen device in the iOS product line, but Apple clearly showed it does not.

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:05 am

iPad Pro has next gen touch technology with more sensitivity that also handles the stylus resolution.

App developer friends have been anxiously waiting for this.

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SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:43 am

It's almost a clone of the Microsoft surface pro (other than the surface pro has USB and runs a full and open o/s)

Ironic realy - full circle!

More interesting is the pressure sensative (3d) touch on the new iPhone, assuming it is sensative enough on fingers, it would make tablets useful expressive instruments (what price instrument if 12 inch tablets have pressure sensativity.....)

Mivo · Post by **Mivo** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:19 am

SLiC wrote:It's almost a clone of the Microsoft surface pro (other than the surface pro has USB and runs a full and open o/s)

The iPad Pro isn't a "clone" of anything. It's a larger iPad with more power, four speakers, unmatched resolution and pixel density (hardly compares to the Surface Pro -- 2732×2048 vs. 2160 x 1440), and an incredible number of quality apps. Windows lacks touch-optimized software. Calling Windows "open" is a bit off, too. Linux is open, Windows isn't.

The actual issue with the SP3 is the battery life. Not even 4 hours in low load situations like browsing the web or reading PDFs, and something like 2.5 hours under medium to higher load. Most ultrabooks manage substantially more, and pretty much every tablet does. It's the best genuine hybrid device out there (there's not much competition), but compared to dedicated ultrabooks or dedicated tablets, it falls short. There's also the problem with poor software support. Android and especially iOS are leagues ahead.

The quality of the iPad Pro will set a new standard for large tablets, especially with the stylus. The downside is that it only runs iOS. I had hoped for something more hybrid-y that (also) runs OSX. I still won't be able to do half my work on it since I would need OSX (or Windows) for it. But as a creativity tool, this thing is likely going to be amazing (and with something like Auria Pro, which apparently seems to be going into beta testing this month, and Sunvox, I could do all my hobbyist musical stuff on it without much trouble.)

Nearly a grand for the 128 GB wifi model is "okay" for what it is. The $99 stylus too. $169 for the keyboard is ridiculous, however.

9headshydra · Post by **9headshydra** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:08 am

Aside the lack of what Apple call "force touch or 3D touch", the lack of haptic return and how stupid the Apple pencil battery is charged in this first iteration of the ipad pro, I see great things that can happen on this new device.

the ability to show 2 different apps on the same screen will automaticly transform any IAA synth/sampler/fx in something very closed to vst.

hurry to see what third party dev will released with this

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:19 pm

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 2:52 pm

Mivo wrote: There's also the problem with poor software support. Android and especially iOS are leagues ahead..

Considering it runs ANY Windows application, how can you say ot has "poor software support"?

People insist to ignore that it runs WINDOWS, not a mobile OS.

Mivo wrote: The quality of the iPad Pro will set a new standard for large tablets, especially with the stylus. The downside is that it only runs iOS. I had hoped for something more hybrid-y that (also) runs OSX. I still won't be able to do half my work on it since I would need OSX (or Windows) for it.

Nearly a grand for the 128 GB wifi model is "okay" for what it is. The $99 stylus too. $169 for the keyboard is ridiculous, however.

The Surface Pro has a Stylus (included, while the iPad one has to be bought separately), has USB, has more storage, probably more RAM (the amount of RAM in iPad Pro remains a mistery), and more processing power (if you consider the i5 or i7). iPad Pro, besides, has all the other downsides you pointed. Only advantage over Surface Pro is the battery, since resolution is neglectable, given the values of each one and the size of the screen.

And nearly a grand for a 128 GB model of THAT is far from OK, IMO.

Mivo · Post by **Mivo** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:09 pm

fmr wrote: Considering it runs ANY Windows application, how can you say ot has "poor software support"? People insist to ignore that it runs WINDOWS, not a mobile OS.

I was referring to software that is optimized for use on mobile and touchscreen devices. The vast majority of Windows programs simply is not. It's clunky.

The fact that the Surface Pro 3 benchmarks at two and half hours battery life is a dealbreaker for me. Really not acceptable for the tablet aspect of it when you're used to iOS devices. (source)

I'm looking forward to the Surface Pro 4, though, and whether Microsoft gets it right this time. The Surfaces have gotten better with each new version, and perhaps the SP4 will nail it. I would very much like a genuine hybrid device that can replace both a laptop and a tablet. Neither the iPad Pro (based on what we know so far) nor the SP3 can do that for me.

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:17 pm

I own the Surface Pro and I would have sold it to buy the iPad pro if only the iPad Pro were running OSX (that was my hope). This is not what I expected, of course: it's just a bigger ipad and the price for the iStylus (or whatever they call it) is simply offensive.

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:27 pm

Mivo wrote:
SLiC wrote:It's almost a clone of the Microsoft surface pro (other than the surface pro has USB and runs a full and open o/s)
The iPad Pro isn't a "clone" of anything. It's a larger iPad with more power, four speakers, unmatched resolution and pixel density (hardly compares to the Surface Pro -- 2732×2048 vs. 2160 x 1440), and an incredible number of quality apps. Windows lacks touch-optimized software. Calling Windows "open" is a bit off, too. Linux is open, Windows isn't.

The actual issue with the SP3 is the battery life. Not even 4 hours in low load situations like browsing the web or reading PDFs, and something like 2.5 hours under medium to higher load. Most ultrabooks manage substantially more, and pretty much every tablet does. It's the best genuine hybrid device out there (there's not much competition), but compared to dedicated ultrabooks or dedicated tablets, it falls short. There's also the problem with poor software support. Android and especially iOS are leagues ahead.

The quality of the iPad Pro will set a new standard for large tablets, especially with the stylus. The downside is that it only runs iOS. I had hoped for something more hybrid-y that (also) runs OSX. I still won't be able to do half my work on it since I would need OSX (or Windows) for it. But as a creativity tool, this thing is likely going to be amazing (and with something like Auria Pro, which apparently seems to be going into beta testing this month, and Sunvox, I could do all my hobbyist musical stuff on it without much trouble.)

Nearly a grand for the 128 GB wifi model is "okay" for what it is. The $99 stylus too. $169 for the keyboard is ridiculous, however.

iPad Pro is just a large iPad until it either can run OSX programs, or programs designed for OSX are made available to run on the iPad Pro.

Definitely not a clone of Surface Pro.

The Surface Pro can also connect to extend to another monitor as well as extend the memory. iPad Pro, for me, cannot be called "Pro" unless it offers flexible option for memory and actually can run "Pro" applications.

I'm on Mac (and have ipads, iphones, etc...), but I'm looking forward to the next Surface Pro release. I would be happy to have a Surface Pro even if it requires paying x2 as much compared to the iPad Pro.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:42 pm

I'm a fan since years from iOS and the great music apps....have tons of them and love to use my iPad Air and iPhone beside my macbook as music creating tools.
I was very interested in th iPad pro but i'm also a bit dissapointed.
It's maybe very powerful for a tablet and multi touch is far better for editing often. Most of the UI on desktop synths looks ugly compared to 10 bucks synth on my iPad but iOS is still so limited. No way i would pay a grand for an 128GB device with a slightly extended smartphone OS.
I understand that OSX is not made for multitouch but they could at least let me use it in a dual boot style where the could interact on one device.
Better.... let me also use my iOS apps on my mac if i want!
Still no full browser in iOS, no extern SSD usable, only one lightning port, no proper file management. No official tech specs about RAM, no X-code to develope apps on iPad itself, i still need a PC/mac to sync it to i-tunes etc...... no way it's pro.....iPad Plus!
Next year all have to buy the second generation because the CPU and RAM will struggle when pushing it in split screen modus etc. Higher resolution will eat up the GPU boost.
I'm not a windows friend but i would much prefer a Surface Pro 4.
I mean it's for sure a great thing when apps are take full advance of all the things the iPad pro offers but for me it's not enough to pay over 1000 bucks for a tablet. Add the keyboard and the pen..... i just payed a bit more for my 15" Macbook Pro retina.
Sorry, try again!

martygras · Post by **martygras** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:46 pm

Graphic artists are the one's that are going to benefit from the iPad Pro. Maybe also the musician's as apps start to show up with aftertouch (potentially polyphonic aftertouch) etc.

iPad Pro?