KVR Audio

ftech · Post by **ftech** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:33 am

Well, I'm in Brisbane and we barely had a what we could call a Winter!
Seems like we just went straight from Autumn into Spring. No such thing as Global Warming though, right?

And to get back on topic; I have Daisy working nicely in Alter Ego and Chipspeech with Logic 10.2.0 on my Mac Pro with 10.10.4.
Sounds really nice, and I can see me using Daisy quite a bit for vocals

kokotte · Post by **kokotte** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:02 am

Plogue, Thanks a lot for this brilliant FREE product !
do you know the price of the future expansions ?

stardustmedia · Post by **stardustmedia** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:53 am

JoeCat wrote:Well, yeah it's free but it doesn't sound like Mariah Carey, so...

What? Really? It doesn't sound like a real singer? Glad I didn't install it. But hey folks, that's what you get for free. Meanwhile I stick to my Chipspeech and try to emulate Aretha Franklin with it

@JoeCat: I wondered too, why people complain about it not being realistic. Are those people who will also moan about the Mini not sounding like a real trumpet? Or Sylenth not sounding like FM8? I don't know. It feels though like double

DSmolken · Post by **DSmolken** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:25 am

Mac of BIOnighT wrote:Regarding the fact that it doesn't sound like a human being:
This sounds just as ridiculous as people saying, so many years ago, that a Moog synthesizer and all the other synths were crap because they didn't sound like "real" instruments. It just so happens that those sounds are now classics in their own right. If I want a track to sound like a singer, I sing, if I can't sing I learn to sing, if I don't want to learn I hire a singer. From an instrument like this, I expect myself to be able to get creative, surprising, useful, different things to add to my music. From what very little I've had the time to hear, this instrument has a lot of scope, it's suggestive and interesting, think outside the box and you can squeeze some amazing stuff out of it.
Once again, the limit is the musician, not the instrument...

Yeah, but it's hard to resist the challenge of making her sound as human as possible, even if you have plenty of human singers. Just to see if you can do it. Like trying to see just how close you can get a Moog to a trumpet. Especially if you have a trumpet and can compare.

Although I did make one singer think that Daisy is human already. I want to try doing Daisy backing vox on a track I'm working on with her, and messaged her with something like "So, are you jealous of my new singer?" She listened to the track I'm working on on laptop speakers, and just assumed that Daisy is a person that I just piled a lot of effects on. To be fair, she's heard her own vocals that I've piled a lot of effects on, including things like formant shifting. And she was probably more concerned that I just replaced a mutual friend of ours with some new singer. But it was still funny.

braj · Post by **braj** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:03 am

It is a really musical plugin too. You can definitely, easily 'play' the singer like an instrument, not like some science project, even if on the backend you are tweaking like a mad scientist. Throw just a few lines, layer in a synth or two, add appropriate effects, and you could get some really interesting textures. Definitely don't just take this as a Vocaloid alternative with a narrow application. For free this is just incredible, and they include a bunch of presets to expand the voice beyond just 'Daisy.' I can definitely see me putting Chipspeech on my shopping list once I hit the limits of this one voice.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:26 am

I want to be clear on something for those who think I'm knocking the plugin because I'm not. Plogue is great for what it does. It has a very interesting quality and can have many uses. However, one of those uses is not to make vocal demos that you can send to a producer, publisher or A&R rep. The technology isn't there yet. I seriously doubt it ever will be there but who knows.

I do not sing, am too old (57) too learn how to sing and do not have the funds to go out and hire session singers. I need to do everything in the box with what I have now. I simply said that Plogue does not do for me what I need it to do. But it is a very nice sounding plugin for what it does do.

Just wanted to be clear on that.

davidv@plogue · Post by **davidv@plogue** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:10 pm

sqigls wrote:is there an official thread?
the instrument won't recall the Daisy bank location on OSX 10.8.5
Need to drag the xml each time i load it
and the password auth dialog hangs for about 10-15 seconds

Have you installed sforzando, chipsounds, chipcrusher or any other ARIA products since installing Alter/Ego?
There might be a risk that the registration component located in
/Library/Application Support/Plogue/Aria/ARIA Product Manager
could have been replaced with an older version doing so. Could you give me its exact size in bytes to be sure?

The password authorization hang is still puzzling us as it happens on some systems and not others.

DSmolken · Post by **DSmolken** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:19 am

Just for fun, the vocals and automation clips in what I'm working on now. It's easy to get carried away with this stuff.

Karma_tba · Post by **Karma_tba** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:43 am

wagtunes wrote:I want to be clear on something for those who think I'm knocking the plugin because I'm not. Plogue is great for what it does. It has a very interesting quality and can have many uses. However, one of those uses is not to make vocal demos that you can send to a producer, publisher or A&R rep. The technology isn't there yet. I seriously doubt it ever will be there but who knows.

I do not sing, am too old (57) too learn how to sing and do not have the funds to go out and hire session singers. I need to do everything in the box with what I have now. I simply said that Plogue does not do for me what I need it to do. But it is a very nice sounding plugin for what it does do.

Just wanted to be clear on that.

I beg to differ.....why can't you send a track with Alter Ego to a producer, publisher or A&R rep? Times have changed there are "live" singers with recording contracts that depend on Auto-Tune....and some of them can sing! As far as your own singing ...age has nothing to to with it..I'm 63 and I sing on most of my tracks. Maybe if you took your foot out of your mouth your vocals would improve. As George Clinton once said "Free your mind..and your ass will follow".

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:46 am

I was just paying attention to this bit on the website:

//Voice banks come in various styles and licenses. Daisy is the first bank available and is also FREE.

More voice banks are expected. Please watch this space and follow us on twitter/Facebook for up to the second news.//

I like Daisy, very much appreciate the freeness of it all, and as long as the next banks are affordable, I'll be picking up another one out of sheer gratitude. This is literally exactly what I was looking for.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 9:54 am

A feature request: it would be great to have a velocity sensitivity control, if there is one I'm not seeing it.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:11 am

Karma_tba wrote:
wagtunes wrote:I want to be clear on something for those who think I'm knocking the plugin because I'm not. Plogue is great for what it does. It has a very interesting quality and can have many uses. However, one of those uses is not to make vocal demos that you can send to a producer, publisher or A&R rep. The technology isn't there yet. I seriously doubt it ever will be there but who knows.

I do not sing, am too old (57) too learn how to sing and do not have the funds to go out and hire session singers. I need to do everything in the box with what I have now. I simply said that Plogue does not do for me what I need it to do. But it is a very nice sounding plugin for what it does do.

Just wanted to be clear on that.
I beg to differ.....why can't you send a track with Alter Ego to a producer, publisher or A&R rep? Times have changed there are "live" singers with recording contracts that depend on Auto-Tune....and some of them can sing! As far as your own singing ...age has nothing to to with it..I'm 63 and I sing on most of my tracks. Maybe if you took your foot out of your mouth your vocals would improve. As George Clinton once said "Free your mind..and your ass will follow".

I'm sorry but the quality isn't there. Nobody in the business is going to take a track made with plogue seriously. You can take that to the bank.

As for my singing, I'm not going to get into an argument over it. You know nothing about my history in music. My voice ruins everything I sing and I was trained by a professional. I simply have a lousy voice so let's leave it at that.

Karma_tba · Post by **Karma_tba** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 11:38 am

wagtunes wrote:
Karma_tba wrote:
wagtunes wrote:I want to be clear on something for those who think I'm knocking the plugin because I'm not. Plogue is great for what it does. It has a very interesting quality and can have many uses. However, one of those uses is not to make vocal demos that you can send to a producer, publisher or A&R rep. The technology isn't there yet. I seriously doubt it ever will be there but who knows.

I do not sing, am too old (57) too learn how to sing and do not have the funds to go out and hire session singers. I need to do everything in the box with what I have now. I simply said that Plogue does not do for me what I need it to do. But it is a very nice sounding plugin for what it does do.

Just wanted to be clear on that.
I beg to differ.....why can't you send a track with Alter Ego to a producer, publisher or A&R rep? Times have changed there are "live" singers with recording contracts that depend on Auto-Tune....and some of them can sing! As far as your own singing ...age has nothing to to with it..I'm 63 and I sing on most of my tracks. Maybe if you took your foot out of your mouth your vocals would improve. As George Clinton once said "Free your mind..and your ass will follow".
I'm sorry but the quality isn't there. Nobody in the business is going to take a track made with plogue seriously. You can take that to the bank.

As for my singing, I'm not going to get into an argument over it. You know nothing about my history in music. My voice ruins everything I sing and I was trained by a professional. I simply have a lousy voice so let's leave it at that.

People in "THE BUSINESS" also turned away The Beatles and the first Rap artists....but hey I'll bow out to your "history"....nobody wants to listen to two old farts argue.

Chris-S · Post by **Chris-S** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:22 pm

Hi,
where can I adjust velocity sensitivity?

Karma_tba · Post by **Karma_tba** » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:58 pm

A lil ditty I threw together featuring Daisy on B.V.s.....https://soundcloud.com/karma_tba/karmadancin

Plogue: Alter/Ego Voice Singing Synth- Free!