Best price on Waves SSL4000 I ever saw!

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[simon.a.billington]

Nope, don't work for Waves. Could think of many worse places to work though. I live in Australia, that makes working for Waves pretty damn hard. Just imagine the commute times!!

Although, if anyone else out there is from Waves, I'll gladly accept any monetary donations you would care to make. You guys probably SHOULD pay me due to all the nice things I say about your stuff.

... Except for the look of the Renaissance plugins, don't really like that much!! :p

Actually I don't even use them.

I got into Waves a few years ago and I opt mostly for their newer stuff, but I'm beginning to find value in some of the older things as well. S1 for example.

I do however use Waves a lot and like to dispel some of the myths that people perpetuate. Surely myself and this Andy guy which I seem to agree with quite a lot aren't the only ones that like using a specific type of technology. There plenty of Slate guys out there, UAD...

Is it possible, that I might be talking from a personal standpoint?!?

Look at my posts again, you will find I have been helpful on many levels with many different types of things. If I make recommendations though, I do stick to what I know, as anyone would, it would make sense. I mean, it's want the Slate fans do, or the UAD fans.

In moments like this there is quite often more Waves posts, because they have something new or a hot sale going and I like to throw in my thoughts about it too being a bit of a fan. I used other things though, Plugin Alliance, IK Multimedia, Sonalksis, etc...

I can say somethings about the SSL because I'm old enough and experienced enough to have worked on the real thing.

People have the false impressions that emulations are absolute. Every piece of analogue technology sounds different from one to the other. In comparing plugins that are modelling the same thing you are comparing 2 different devices or two different SSL mixers in this instance. Of course they are going to sound different!!

Then there's the Anlogue button that people won't use because it's modelled noise. Well it is and it isn't. Like the real thing that "noise" actually introduces intermodaltion between the frequencies which helps to add to the harmonics and how the overall sound gels together better.

If, however you are the type that likes to crush everything with compressors, well it's just going to bring up that noise level. I don't have it switched on for everything but maybe half to 3/4. I'll use the NLS or the new Lindell 6x500 in conjunction with it as well, but I won't use them on everything as well. There is such a thing as too much harmonics!!

You don't have to like it. Each person is going to have different preferences but you shouldn't really attack people who do find value in these things.

It is still very popular with the world class engineers out there, some of them even have the real thing. They're just usually old enough, experienced enough, and wise enough to know that each desk sounds different.

It's not like I walk around saying everything else is crap too. I usually try to be more constructive than that. Although if you want to talk politics, I'm more than happy to say very bad things about our current government!! But that might be digressing a little LOL

[asksol]

Is it possible, that I might be talking from a personal standpoint?!?

It's not impossible, but your posting history is so "consistent" it's natural to ask questions. Especially
after the Waves Street Team fiasco and all that.

Last time I asked you about this, you never replied. Obviously if you are a real person who happens to love Waves, and only likes to talk about Waves, then I have no problems with that.

[simon.a.billington]

I remember someone asking me about it, a little while back, but I did respond in kind. Perhaps you simply missed it??

Incidentally, what's this Waves Street Team you are talking about??

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[lfm]

Is it possible, that I might be talking from a personal standpoint?!?

It's not impossible, but your posting history is so "consistent" it's natural to ask questions. Especially
after the Waves Street Team fiasco and all that.

Last time I asked you about this, you never replied. Obviously if you are a real person who happens to love Waves, and only likes to talk about Waves, then I have no problems with that.

So you had a bad experience with Waves - and still are looking fore reasons to hate Waves.

And nobody else is allowed to actually like Waves as a company, their products or their support either?

Tell your story and motivate your point of view, and stop jumping at everybody having another opinion.

I wouldn't mind explanation for Street Team fiasco either - what is that about?

[Apostate]

A lot of opinions here, and we all know what Mr Eastwood said about opinions.

I think the waves SSL are pretty awesome, and in the end that's all that really matters, try them, if you like them you like like them, if you don't you don't. Don't worry about some internet forum wannabe's who think they know everything.

And remember there are certain people who just straight out have something against Waves, and you can find that out by checking THEIR post history. Also remember, where you have 'shills for waves' you will also find the opposite

sorry but those you call internet wannabe's have just as much a right to an opinion as you.

nothing against waves here, have one bundle of theirs(gold) and 8 individual plugins on top. I just think the ssl are crap.

You can like the sound sure but it doesn't mean those who do not's opinion is any less valid than yours.

as far as shilling it is not allowed here.. they have to come clean about who they are and work for.

Same goes for those who are from opposition.

You both have valid points. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but there's a big difference between an informed, experienced opinion and an overblown hobbyist's opinion. That doesn't mean I consider anyone here to be overblown hobbyists, certainly not you two or anyone specifically. So please understand I mean no offense and am not pointing the finger.

For people who make money doing music, (and many of the people we know), the Waves SSL is one of the great emulations. It ain't the hardware (what IS?), but it's a terrific tool for working in the box (given the context/niche of music you're producing, of course).

I owned and sold the Waves SSL earlier this year, and then immediately regretted it. It's too fine a tool. This sale was a blessing for me.

[antithesist]

People still make money doing music?

[sonicpowa]

People still make money doing music?

How to make a million dollars in music business?
Start with two million.

[Apostate]

People still make money doing music?

Hans Zimmer doesn't make money? Danny Elfman? Even some "essentially inconsequential" projects like mine make enough to at least (help) pay the rent for certain periods.

I'm not sure you thought that question through, unless you're just being sarcastic (in that case ha! ).

[Numanoid]

Hans Zimmer doesn't make money? Danny Elfman?

But do those guys use plugs and not the real thing?

Danny Elfman is seen endorsing EastWest libs on their website, but when it comes to putting out actual soundtrack recordings then he employs and records an orchestra...

[HcDoom]

This plugin is so outdated (10+ years) and badly programmed. I compared it several times to hw version and other companies sw emus of ssl buss compressor and Waves always falls flat. Incredibly bad sounding compressor with loads of aliasing. IK, Glue and Slate wipe floor with it, dont want to mention how it sounded compared to hw ssl buss comp. People are fooled by its high price. Its not priced so high because its good, its priced so high because of SSL licenses Waves has to pay. Basically, you pay for a name. For a fraction of cost you can go with 10x better programmed competition emus. But have to say Waves did great job with API emu, its also very old but it really reminds of hw version, not 100% there but much closer than Waves SSL. And Waves SSL eqs are just another digital eqs with matched curves, nothing that you cannot get with other eqs, I also find IKs and Slates much much better.

[Apostate]

This plugin is so outdated (10+ years) and badly programmed. I compared it several times to hw version and other companies sw emus of ssl buss compressor and Waves always falls flat. Incredibly bad sounding compressor with loads of aliasing. IK, Glue and Slate wipe floor with it, dont want to mention how it sounded compared to hw ssl buss comp. People are fooled by its high price. Its not priced so high because its good, its priced so high because of SSL licenses Waves has to pay. Basically, you pay for a name. For a fraction of cost you can go with 10x better programmed competition emus. But have to say Waves did great job with API emu, its also very old but it really reminds of hw version, not 100% there but much closer than Waves SSL. And Waves SSL eqs are just another digital eqs with matched curves, nothing that you cannot get with other eqs, I also find IKs and Slates much much better.

I respectfully don't agree with the first part, but completely agree about the API emulation. The 550s are my go to for drums, period. To me it's such a great sounding eq. The presets can also help start very cool creative things, at least for me.

[simon.a.billington]

australia means zilch.. you could be the aussie distributor, a rep here for them, whatever. No, your posts are only waves. I checked from page 1. No matter what the discussion, when you jump in it's to add something about waves. Anyway the mods will do an IP check and we will know from that, and if we are wrong, then, you will be apologised to accordingly. In other words, profusely.

Geeze man, what's with all the hate and the persecution. Just because my opinion and use of products vary.

I do use them and still despite those conversation I still recommend them depending on the context.

It's hard not to feel a little bit bullied and harassed. Do you really hate Waves that much that you would pick on anyone who uses their products and suggest it to others?!?

Do you want to bully me in to using the products you like?!! If so, the. How are you any different?!?

Do want to start telling me my choice of religion is wrong too?!?

Fact is, I don't recommend what I don't use, nor would most people. It is very hard not to take any of this offensively... But in order to keep the peace, I will try.

I don't think Waves has an Australian office. There's one in the US, one in England one somewhere else, I forget now Europe or something. It's super easy to look up though.

I will also say that this "witch hunt" is derailing the topic quite considerably.

Since I have nothing more else to add at this time with fear of retribution for saying anything positive about a Waves product that people are just happy to hate unconditionally, perhaps even irrationally, then I'm going to leave it here.

But please, everyone else, feel free to talk about the SSL emulation.

[Apostate]

Hans Zimmer doesn't make money? Danny Elfman?

But do those guys use plugs and not the real thing?

Danny Elfman is seen endorsing EastWest libs on their website, but when it comes to putting out actual soundtrack recordings then he employs and records an orchestra...

You can hear soft synths (ZEBRA) on Dark Knight, but most especially Inception and Interstellar. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I've read that Zimmer also used Arturia's CS-80 and ARP 2600 on those soundtracks a little.