KVR Audio

wetdentist · Post by **wetdentist** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:21 pm

i wish Maschine worked as well as Sonar Platinum. just sayin

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:57 pm

Are they for real???

I just tried to record something in Sonar Platinum - on a f**king single mono-track in a basically empty Project - and it was dropout hell - with both WDM and ASIO - I even switched from my usual 128samples of latency to 256samples - still there were dropouts like mad - and I have never experienced something similar for a looooong time - this is a VERY capable machine.

Luckily VFM was very good with the upgrade deal I got due to Addictive Drums etc. - but boy - Sonar has really become a worthless piece of shit.

jsp1979 · Post by **jsp1979** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:04 pm

That's certainly not typical. I'm not sure what might be going on

They do have a demo for Sonar. Why buy before trying out the demo?

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:44 pm

Because I now and then upgrade if the price is right? I've been using Sonar since V2

excessional · Post by **excessional** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:45 pm

Sonar is just tremendously good value for money, especially if you buy during sales.
I started on Steam with Music Creator 6 for £10 and the total cost to get me up to the brand new Sonar Platinum (which I got this weekend) has been about £120.

OK so some of the legacy vsts in it aren't that great, but you do get:

Melodyne Essential
AD2 (with 3 adpaks and 3 midi paks)
Quadcurve flyout EQ with real time spectrum analyser
AAS Strum 2 and Rhodes 4
Decent time-stretching apps.

You really aren't going to pick that lot (plus a top of the range modern DAW) up for so little any other way.

I also picked up z3ta+2 for £35 on a Steam sale - which is a perfectly usable budget powersynth.

As for stability - apart from needing to do a clean reinstall of Synthmaster, I've had no stability issues or seen any bugs.
ASIO4ALL runs fine and I haven't come across any pops or dropouts on my i5 laptop.

I'm a very happy Sonar user to be honest. I took a look at Ableton Live but just ran away screaming.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:24 pm

jsp1979 wrote:That's certainly not typical. I'm not sure what might be going on

I had been using the 24track, 4bus, A Type - template.

Now I tried with a completely blank project (just one track and no plugins loaded at all) and didn't experience any crackles - so it might just be shoddy coding on the Pro Channel ("pro", yeah lol). who knows - in any case DCP Latency Checker was not measuring any spikes above 600 while I just tried the template again (with the same crackles again).

Let's face it: Sonar has been coded on toilet paper.

Mystic · Post by **Mystic** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:14 pm

Interesting, I've not had any of your issues when using Sonar. Maybe try writing up a bug report so they can take a look at it?

JoseC. · Post by **JoseC.** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:38 pm

jens wrote:
jsp1979 wrote:
Let's face it: Sonar has been coded on toilet paper.

Maybe it is you who uses it like toilet paper. I try not to put shit on it and it behaves quite well, and it seems that a large majority of users do the same.

jsp1979 · Post by **jsp1979** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:50 pm

Just to be clear, I didn't say that. The quote is messed up.

While I'm here, though, I don't see what's the point for getting so worked up about it.

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:56 pm

On other large forums, purposely misquoting someone is an instant-ban. I don't see why that's not the policy here, it's a very harmful practice.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:24 pm

JoseC. wrote:
jens wrote:
jsp1979 wrote:
Let's face it: Sonar has been coded on toilet paper.
Maybe it is you who uses it like toilet paper. I try not to put shit on it and it behaves quite well, and it seems that a large majority of users do the same.

Did you read that I only loaded a Standard song-template and tried to record on a single track - and that on a machine with a more than capable CPU and without any DPC latency problems? A machine that runs ultra-smoothly otherwise?

I am not going to file a bug-report - I don't have the time for this shit - I might do it if it was a small company, but I surely won't work for free for Gibson.

JoseC. · Post by **JoseC.** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:32 pm

jsp1979 wrote:Just to be clear, I didn't say that. The quote is messed up.

While I'm here, though, I don't see what's the point for getting so worked up about it.

I am sorry, I certainly messed up while erasing the quotes. Anyway, I think it is clear that I was quoting jens and not you. Sorry again.

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 6:38 pm

Okay, it seems I managed to get rid of it - it was just a ridiculously wrong default setting apparently:

NOTE: It is not recommended to select "Enable Read Caching" and "Enable Write Caching". Choosing either of these options lets your software use the Windows disk cache while reading or writing audio data. Your software will usually perform best with all caching disabled, which is the default setting. If your computer has an older IDE disk controller, or a disk controller that does not use DMA transfers, enabling caching may improve audio performance

Yet this was enabled by default on my machine - go figure.

JoseC. · Post by **JoseC.** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:07 pm

jens wrote:
JoseC. wrote:
jens wrote:
jsp1979 wrote:
Let's face it: Sonar has been coded on toilet paper.
Maybe it is you who uses it like toilet paper. I try not to put shit on it and it behaves quite well, and it seems that a large majority of users do the same.
Did you read that I only loaded a Standard song-template and tried to record on a single track - and that on a machine with a more than capable CPU and without any DPC latency problems? A machine that runs ultra-smoothly otherwise?

I am not going to file a bug-report - I don't have the time for this shit - I might do it if it was a small company, but I surely won't work for free for Gibson.

Yep, I read that, that's why I do not think that you should file a "bug report". What bug would that be? Something like "this software does not work at all in my wonderful system"? That is not a bug, it is just a problem you have, unless there is something so unique about your system that makes it impossible for you to do what all the rest of users do and proper troubleshooting finds some obscure coding error. If you did really buy the software and you are unable of perform such a basic task with it you should be talking with tech support.

Sonar, like any other software, has its bugs, and of course anyone is entitled to be annoyed by them and not using it, but it can generally work at least as well as any other DAW. The Sonar user forums are doing a pretty good work in detecting and reporting real bugs, and right now what remain are mostly pretty obscure and procedural quirks, nothing like "I cannot record a single track". Most of those basic things end up being user error, as anyone could imagine, or the user forums would be in flames.

JoseC. · Post by **JoseC.** » Sat Sep 26, 2015 7:07 pm

jens wrote:
JoseC. wrote:
jens wrote:
jsp1979 wrote:
Let's face it: Sonar has been coded on toilet paper.
Maybe it is you who uses it like toilet paper. I try not to put shit on it and it behaves quite well, and it seems that a large majority of users do the same.
Did you read that I only loaded a Standard song-template and tried to record on a single track - and that on a machine with a more than capable CPU and without any DPC latency problems? A machine that runs ultra-smoothly otherwise?

I am not going to file a bug-report - I don't have the time for this shit - I might do it if it was a small company, but I surely won't work for free for Gibson.

Yep, I read that, that's why I do not think that you should file a "bug report". What bug would that be? Something like "this software does not work at all in my wonderful system"? That is not a bug, it is just a problem you have, unless there is something so unique about your system that makes it impossible for you to do what all the rest of users do and proper troubleshooting finds some obscure coding error. If you did really buy the software and you are unable of perform such a basic task with it you should be talking with tech support.

Sonar, like any other software, has its bugs, and of course anyone is entitled to be annoyed by them and not using it, but it can generally work at least as well as any other DAW. The Sonar user forums are doing a pretty good work in detecting and reporting real bugs, and right now what remain are mostly pretty obscure and procedural quirks, nothing like "I cannot record a single track". Most of those basic things end up being user error, as anyone could imagine, or the user forums would be in flames.

This explains a lot about Cakewalk/Sonar