ooh also check out faust-the faust tapes
and a really good read on similar kinds of stuff is "the elektrick kool aid acid test"
music concrete and stuff
-
- addled muppet weed
- 111299 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
-
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4074 posts since 28 Apr, 2004
i apreciate this, i'll have a read....uncleruby wrote:Nice to see people interested in this stuff.
OOOOOLLLDDD SCHOOOOLLL!! Just a hint if you are web searching try the spelling "musique concrete"
i just remeber thinking "wow"
watching the programcheers,
steve.
-
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4074 posts since 28 Apr, 2004
it's amazing how early on they were doing some of this stuff.uncleruby wrote:http://www.musespace.com/writings/essays/musique.html
now that's innovation
steve.
-
- Beware the Quoth
- 35453 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
For an utterly awesome concrete-ish take on things, listen to this guy :
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/danielmenche.html
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/danielmenche.html
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
-
- KVRAF
- 2323 posts since 4 Mar, 2004 from Portugal (Lagos)
You could do worse than have a listen to Mr. Eno himself, "Discreet Music"
Eventually something intelligent will appear written here. Watch this space.
-
- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
Wow, so rare to come across another Daniel Menche fan.
blaster78 -
Depending on all things you want to get in to, I'd suggest reading a good history of this stuff. Check out Thom Holmes' Electronic and Experimental Music.
That'll give you a fine list of music to check out.
Along the lines of experimental 20th century music, I'd recommend as a starter:
Anything by Harry Partch. The Harry Partch Collection in 3 volumes is excellent, but might be too big an investment for just curiosity. Go down to your local library, they should have at least one recording of his.
Steve Reich - Music for 18 musicians. Definitely a more consonant work, but an excellent intro to minimalism and will give you lots of ideas for technique. Check out it Reich's early process works.
Alvin Lucier - I am sitting in room. Might kill you to listen to all 40 minutes of it, but conceptually very cool. Lucier's works are often like a blueprint for music experimentation. Not always musically succesful, but cool ideas.
Edgar Varese - I have the complete works conducted by Ricardo Chailly. Well worth it.
Iannis Xenakis - again get down to that library.
These aren't exactly musique concrete, but generally a lot more interesting than Pierre Schaeffer's or Stockhausen's stuff (well except for Hymnen, which is really cool). Will give you a good insight into using alternate/found sounds in music composition. And scan through the categories at epitonic.com. It's free to listen and they've got some John Cage, some Morton Feldman, and so on.
Cheers,
Steve
blaster78 -
Depending on all things you want to get in to, I'd suggest reading a good history of this stuff. Check out Thom Holmes' Electronic and Experimental Music.
That'll give you a fine list of music to check out.
Along the lines of experimental 20th century music, I'd recommend as a starter:
Anything by Harry Partch. The Harry Partch Collection in 3 volumes is excellent, but might be too big an investment for just curiosity. Go down to your local library, they should have at least one recording of his.
Steve Reich - Music for 18 musicians. Definitely a more consonant work, but an excellent intro to minimalism and will give you lots of ideas for technique. Check out it Reich's early process works.
Alvin Lucier - I am sitting in room. Might kill you to listen to all 40 minutes of it, but conceptually very cool. Lucier's works are often like a blueprint for music experimentation. Not always musically succesful, but cool ideas.
Edgar Varese - I have the complete works conducted by Ricardo Chailly. Well worth it.
Iannis Xenakis - again get down to that library.
These aren't exactly musique concrete, but generally a lot more interesting than Pierre Schaeffer's or Stockhausen's stuff (well except for Hymnen, which is really cool). Will give you a good insight into using alternate/found sounds in music composition. And scan through the categories at epitonic.com. It's free to listen and they've got some John Cage, some Morton Feldman, and so on.
Cheers,
Steve
-
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4074 posts since 28 Apr, 2004
cheers for all the pointers guys.
steve.
steve.
-
- KVRAF
- 10148 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
http://www.trevorwishart.co.uk/
does some cool stuff, I can recommend his book on sound mashing accompanied with a cd and tutorials on how he does it, all based around the CDP software, which is also excellent though getting a bit old now
does some cool stuff, I can recommend his book on sound mashing accompanied with a cd and tutorials on how he does it, all based around the CDP software, which is also excellent though getting a bit old now
-
- KVRist
- 230 posts since 22 Nov, 2002 from Manchester, UK
love this stuff!
I'm absolutely in love with with the recordings of Bernard Parmegiani, especially Questions De Temps and De Natura Sonorum. If you listen to more recent Squarepusher records you will hear Tom Jenkinson paying huge homage to Parmegiani with his soundscape interludes. Big up also for Tod Dockstader. Also if you can get your hands on anything by William Basinski, do so, The River is amazing, awesome experiments in tape loops. Another big up for Daniel Menche. The Ohm CDs mentioned are an excellent introduction to many of these types of artists, and DEFINITELY get the Raymond Scott Manhattan CDs! It depends where you draw the line between Musique Concrete and other forms of Experimental musique, but for me early Einstuerzende Neubauten & Throbbing Gristle totally held the same kind of feel and evocative power as the guys from the 50s/60s. The 70s/80s Industrial Scene was a direct descendant of the musique conctrete scene of 20 years previous, just incorparting alot more social/emotional/physical prescense and power into the mix.
happy exploring
kevin
I'm absolutely in love with with the recordings of Bernard Parmegiani, especially Questions De Temps and De Natura Sonorum. If you listen to more recent Squarepusher records you will hear Tom Jenkinson paying huge homage to Parmegiani with his soundscape interludes. Big up also for Tod Dockstader. Also if you can get your hands on anything by William Basinski, do so, The River is amazing, awesome experiments in tape loops. Another big up for Daniel Menche. The Ohm CDs mentioned are an excellent introduction to many of these types of artists, and DEFINITELY get the Raymond Scott Manhattan CDs! It depends where you draw the line between Musique Concrete and other forms of Experimental musique, but for me early Einstuerzende Neubauten & Throbbing Gristle totally held the same kind of feel and evocative power as the guys from the 50s/60s. The 70s/80s Industrial Scene was a direct descendant of the musique conctrete scene of 20 years previous, just incorparting alot more social/emotional/physical prescense and power into the mix.
happy exploring
kevin
-
- KVRAF
- 3964 posts since 31 Aug, 2003 from In a foreign town, in a foreign land
o00oh!Pupilar wrote:The 70s/80s Industrial Scene was a direct descendant of the musique conctrete scene of 20 years previous, just incorparting alot more social/emotional/physical prescense and power into the mix.
Hafler Trio (still going strong- and finally getting treatment)! HNAS! P16.D4! Nurse With Wound! Organum!
Brilliant stuff.
Groet, Erik
Pop music delenda est.
-
- KVRAF
- 3964 posts since 31 Aug, 2003 from In a foreign town, in a foreign land
Pop music delenda est.
-
- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
I'm just in the process of reading "Audible Design." Worth checking out for pointers on technique. Recently got a copy of "On Sonic Art" that's next on my reading list.CreepJoint wrote:http://www.trevorwishart.co.uk/
does some cool stuff, I can recommend his book on sound mashing accompanied with a cd and tutorials on how he does it, all based around the CDP software, which is also excellent though getting a bit old now
Also, if you're interested in Acoustic Ecology/Soundscape stuff, check out R. Murray Schaefer and Barry Truax.
Cheers,
Steve
-
- Beware the Quoth
- 35453 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Nice link tetraplan. That bit on underwater mics reminds me of something I wanted to do ages ago...
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
-
- addled muppet weed
- 111299 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
blaster78 wrote:cheers for all the pointers guys.
steve.
this is now gonna cost you a fortune
once your in its addictive 
-
- KVRian
- 619 posts since 15 Feb, 2004 from Birmingham, UK
I totally second these.Mr Arkadin wrote: OHM: The Early Gurus of Electronic Music (another all-rounder)
Raymond Scott's Manhatten Research Inc.
tape-based:
Tod Dockstader's Quatermass and Apocalypse
Check out some Merzbow, but be warned that most of it is very extreme (brutal noise) and well beyond electroacoustic (another search term btw). Some of his less brutal stuff is relevant here, for instance Music for Bondage Performance 1 and 2 and Batztoutai With Material Gadgets / Loop Panic Limited 2CD. Actually, the harsher material is still fantastic (check for instance 1930) but just not for everyone.
Tetsu Inoue's "Fragment of Dots" is quite nice.
Morton Subotnick is the man, and his 'silver apples of the moon' is an undisputable classic. Seek out the 5.1 surround version (I think it's SAOTM with Touch, which is also very nice).
Also check out Iannis Xenakis, Karlheinz Stockhausen, John Cage, Pierre Henry, Edgard Varèse, Pierre Schaeffer and Pierre Boulez for some classic works. A lot of it has not aged well, though.
Finally, I wholeheartedly recommend William Basinski's Disintegration Loops I-IV.
On the Brian Eno tip, I would suggest starting with Another Green World, Ambient 1: Music for Airports and Apollo: Atmospheres and Soundtracks. Also, his recent 'January 07003: Bell Studies for The Clock of The Long Now' is very good.