Are copyrights necessary for hobbyists and artists like us putting up original content?

[jancivil]

Advertisers don't want vulgarities? YouTube complied and made it harder for vulgar trolls to post comments, it seems. Freedom of speech was cut. Absence of trolls equals absence of freedom of speech?

"Freedom of Speech": I don't know where the phrase is located in your country, but in the US this is a constitutional guarantee that peaceable assembly as to protest won't be shut down by the government, that the press won't be shut down for being politically incorrect, that there are no repercussions per se for disagreeing with the government. And it hasn't worked out that this is absolute. You can't indefinitely live in ('Occupy') a public park. Democratic National Convention in Chicago 1968 is a famous case where peaceable assembly was shut down.

There is no guarantee in a private for-profit business you can do anything the proprietor wants stopped. So, at Facebook, enough people flag what you did, they can remove it, it's not any different than a restaurant, if you're bad for business, you can be shown the door with no rights to assert at all. KVR is not a free speech zone. etc. Youtube has terms of service, and a mechanism for reporting violations.

[Katelyn]

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.musicbizacademy.com/internet ... yright.htm

"The filing fee for online song registration is $35."
"The cost to submit the form by mail is $50.00. "

200 songs X $50.00 = ten thousand dollars
The copyright biz must be doing well. Or not? Any research on that?

I guess the page didn't mention this, but I read it elsewhere, but you can register many songs at once, meaning say you register an album, you only pay that fee once for the whole album.

It's not like the fee is for every single song, it's for every time you submit something, either one song or many.

[Katelyn]

I seem to recall only knowing about this partner with youtube thing via youtube informing me. Yeah, I think that's right, the more I ponder. I clicked on some links out of curiosity. This is an account with just about 6k views lifetime, I'm not pushing at all. I did some spamming of simiIar content - replying with a link to my video - as a kind of experiment and got hundreds of views, not thousands. The masses are never going to flock to see my videos (albeit, it may be that at 500+ for one thing = Warners contacting me with their claim). But I think coincidence is as good as any correlation as to your 25k. If you look at that page, it says nothing at all about how well you're racking up views in their criteria. I'm sure it's open to everyone that meets what that page outlines.

In my personal experience getting thousands has more to do with a) networking within an online community(s) that has that specific interest in what kind of video you are going to make and be engaging (meaning getting enough of them to know you personally some and why you care about just as they do about the video topic), b) either through one of those or another way get mentioned on a blog or another site, maybe a shoutout from another youtuber ect and c), and this is the most important one... make it something polarizing that people form strong opinions about either negatively or positively

[harryupbabble]

"Freedom of Speech": I don't know where the phrase is located in your country, but in the US this is a constitutional guarantee that peaceable assembly as to protest won't be shut down by the government, that the press won't be shut down for being politically incorrect, that there are no repercussions per se for disagreeing with the government. And it hasn't worked out that this is absolute. You can't indefinitely live in ('Occupy') a public park. Democratic National Convention in Chicago 1968 is a famous case where peaceable assembly was shut down.

There is no guarantee in a private for-profit business you can do anything the proprietor wants stopped. So, at Facebook, enough people flag what you did, they can remove it, it's not any different than a restaurant, if you're bad for business, you can be shown the door with no rights to assert at all. KVR is not a free speech zone. etc. Youtube has terms of service, and a mechanism for reporting violations.

I'm going off topic here a bit but... it's true that no website has to implement the freedom of speech idea but it just doesn't seem to make sense in the case of advertisers making YouTube less vulgar because vulgar people buy stuff too. But I guess the advertisers know what they are doing, they probably have teams of experts on the subject of buying behaviors of humans. But before Google bought YouTube, it was all about the watchers and the creators of videos and not overwhelmingly about advertising.... and vulgarity and trolls were part of the norm, and I wonder if the average YouTube watchers back then (or even now) were bothered that much about the presence of trolls and their vulgarity. Anyhow, the alternatives to Google and YouTube seems also to be ruled by advertising. In conclusion, despite the intrusive adverts, Google and YouTube are still somehow great, to me at least

[harryupbabble]

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.musicbizacademy.com/internet ... yright.htm

"The filing fee for online song registration is $35."
"The cost to submit the form by mail is $50.00. "

200 songs X $50.00 = ten thousand dollars
The copyright biz must be doing well. Or not? Any research on that?

I guess the page didn't mention this, but I read it elsewhere, but you can register many songs at once, meaning say you register an album, you only pay that fee once for the whole album.

It's not like the fee is for every single song, it's for every time you submit something, either one song or many.

Nine-Of-Kings mentioned the same thing. Thanks very much for the valuable info you guys.

[jancivil]

Except for publicly funded venues (and except for a site that takes a cut of sales of what they're hosting with no fee) the internet is funded by ads. I subvert it absolutely, just like people Tivo their TV to ignore commercials. I'm not looking at things that would really bring in the ad bucks so I wouldn't usually notice anyway. Although when I first installed Chrome on this computer, ad block wasn't working and youtube wasn't fully working either. I did notice ads before many things. It's like panhandling, you have to intrude on everyone to play the percentages. It seems like I saw an ad on one of mine, but they're telling me about average of 1¢ for 28 day periods. I don't know what I'm doing.

[jancivil]

In my personal experience getting thousands has more to do with a) networking within an online community(s) that has that specific interest in what kind of video you are going to make and be engaging (meaning getting enough of them to know you personally some and why you care about just as they do about the video topic), b) either through one of those or another way get mentioned on a blog or another site, maybe a shoutout from another youtuber ect and c), and this is the most important one... make it something polarizing that people form strong opinions about either negatively or positively

You're absolutely right. Also, sex sells.