stubborn logic pc users still hanging tough?

[soultrane]

yeah, i'm still in the game w. logic pc 5.51;

here's what sucks about it.

problem:: doesn't have delay comp for the busses and my ua audio card...

solution:: I DON'T USE THE BUSSES. which sucks, because you want to put a reverb on the buss.
but, the "dreamverb" is not the only verb out there... you can put a good native verb on the bus, and just use the UA to give you some great eq's (cambridge, which i prefer to sonalquist) and of course the bombdiggy compressors... (i can get about 10-12 cambridges b4 the card poops out... that's pretty good...)

of course, you can go through the ua noize about sending all the untreated audio on another buss, but, as an analog cat, i can't get my mind around that wierd routing.

no freeze function...

this also sucks, because waiting for your vst's to render to audio in realtime takes u back to the day, and not in a good way.

workaround? i bet someone knows of a 3rd party way to render to audio, via fxpansion or something like that? a stable utility would be sweet.

not all vst's work good....

workaround? i say to myself so what? minimoog does, stylus and trilogy do, absynth does, prophet 53 does, b4 does, most eq's and verbs do... what else do u need? plus, u have to get your hardware into the project, (for me that's rhodes mark 2, clav, podxt, ms2000, not to mention mic pres, mics, vocals, and the rest...)

finally said, logic was a beeyotch to learn, and now that i've got it, and i can get a project sounding 65% using the vst's, and then i can bounce to audio, bring in the uad card, and take it close to the rest of the way there... (and hopefully, sell the trax so a real engineer can mix the *ish on a proper neve / ssl desk...) i don't see myself getting off of logic just yet...

you're thoughts?

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[snooky]

Yup I´m still on 5.51 too!
And I use Loguc Audio...bought the BigBox when it came out just to find that Emagic dropped support for Logic on PC the very same second I bought it

[DevonB]

I got off the Logic bandwagon well over a year ago after many years with it. I wanted to continue to upgrade with the times, and Logic was going to stop me dead in my tracks with some of the newer 'things' if I wanted to stick with the PC, which I did.

To me, it's a tool. Yes, it took a long time to learn it. Oh well. Time to learn something else new. I'll be diving into Sonar 3 PE here shortly to learn yet another tool. Really, I don't mind learning something new, as long as it works.

Devon

[Tronam]

Well, I bit the bullet and invested in a dual G5 to use the modern incarnations of Logic and it has proven to be a good experience so far. I have really come to love the operating system and there is a fundamental feeling of solidity and robustness with Logic on this platform that I have never experienced before. Surprisingly, I am actually finding Logic to be quite... logical, the more I use it. I think the modularity of the environment is what frightens people the most at first, but if you are willing to take control and create your own workflow, then it can be a real breath of fresh air. Here I was, hoping for an EnergyXT port to OSX until I realized that Logic itself can do many of the same things all by itself. :O

-Tronam

[snooky]

Well, I bit the bullet and invested in a dual G5 to use the modern incarnations of Logic and it has proven to be a good experience so far. I have really come to love the operating system and there is a fundamental feeling of solidity and robustness with Logic on this platform that I have never experienced before. Surprisingly, I am actually finding Logic to be quite... logical, the more I use it. I think the modularity of the environment is what frightens people the most at first, but if you are willing to take control and create your own workflow, then it can be a real breath of fresh air. Here I was, hoping for an EnergyXT port to OSX until I realized that Logic itself can do many of the same things all by itself. :O

-Tronam

Oh, as what if I may ask...I´m still a bit baffled by the enviroment pages and the routing capabilites like sidechaining and such things...

[trmupstage]

A little over a year ago, I bought Nuendo in the cross-grade deal to replace Logic 5.5 on my PC. Logic was good. I started using Logic at version 2.6. I loved the screen sets, but that's about all I miss now. I've been very happy with Nuendo. It has a different work-flow to it, but I got used to the change. I do a lot of stuff in the score editor. The one in Logic was OK, but I always had trouble typing in lyrics properly. Nuendo can import a text file directly into the score editor. this has sped writing out lead sheets drastically.

I was bummed when PC support was dropped for Logic. But, life goes on and it's really only a tool. Logic was a good tool, so is Nuendo.

Tom

[Andywanders]

Me too - Logic 5.5 PC. Been using Logic since it first came out on the Atari (boy.. it was shite then). Before that I was using Notator on the Atari and recorded many tunes with it.

When Logic sold out to Apple, sure I was pissed off. But it hasn't stopped me making music. The Logic environment is it's strongest feature - I reckon. I've tried a few other apps, but for me at least, nothing beats Logic.

If I were still making money from music, I would definitely go out and buy a Mac and Logic Pro. But for now, it still works on the PC.

[Sascha Franck]

When Logic sold out to Apple, sure I was pissed off. But it hasn't stopped me making music. The Logic environment is it's strongest feature - I reckon. I've tried a few other apps, but for me at least, nothing beats Logic.

The environment, once its stongest part, has now turned out to be one of the weakest as it just didn't grow along with "modern needs".
Try to use an arpeggiator with virtual instruments - apart from the arpeggiator being a one trick pony from the past (man, look at the limited feature set), it simply won't work properly along with audio instruments. Once you start Logic at the position a chord running through an arpeggiator begins, you'll get a full blast of sound. Great. That's even true for Logic Pro.
You also still need to be in play mode to have the arpeggiator put out any sound at all. Again great, how modern...

Controlling Logic via MIDI once was top (when nothing else had similar features), these days it's just as lousy as it can get (look at the other thread about note control regarding plugins), there's NO sequencer on the market, doing it as bad.
None of Logic's plugins feature MIDI learn/assign modes, let alone the audio mixer.

Have a look at transformers, a feature such as "select and extract to selected track" (which Cubase's Logical Edit does since ages) has been requested since years... it still doesn't exist.

And then let's not even think about the fact that most environment objects look like suggesting we'd still be in 1990.

Oh, btw, this is coming from a Logic addict...
But, as I have to halfway switch back to Cubase anyways (for teaching purposes), I will have a more in depth look now, maybe I can find some working style that suits my needs.

Sadly, the last times I tried Cubase, the arrangement still felt totally sloppy whereas Logic IMO has the "snappiest" arrangement ever.
IMO that's where Logic wins hands down. You just can't beat the efficiency of the arrange, linked editors and what not.

Apart from all that, maybe betting your money on Logic might be a mistake in the long run.
For us true Logic afficionados it might make sense buying a Mac as the increased workflow might justify the extra cost (plus, I have a fullblown authorized dongle and would just miss all the instruments and plugins), but I can very well imagine that in some years from now on, Emagic will be even more of a niche company as they allready are.
Not so sure about the US, but over here in Europe there's virtually nobody using Macs (apart from a few established dudes that are doing so since ages).
Everybody however has a PC.
So, in the end, over here Emagic will completely lose their market share on the educational market - you just can't tell some student to buy a Mac if he/she allready has a PC which is working great.

In the long (or even just medium) run the newbies of today are the customers of tomorrow.
And in case someone learned sequencing on a PC 8no matter what he/she'd be using), why in the world would one have to buy a Mac later on when being ready to shell out a bit more money?

[Andywanders]

You make some valid points Sascha, can't argue with you.

But as I said, Logic still works for me.

As for the arpeggiator in Logic, can't say I've ever used it. When I do need an arpeggiated riff, I use my master keyboard to generate it (Kurzweil K2500) as it's just a button press away and syncs perfectly with Logic.

Personally I've never found MIDI control to be a problem either. And as for the objects looking like we're still in 1990... So what..? I don't care what my music looks like, I care how it sounds.

I think you're right when you mention that Emagic might be losing out on a huge market by dropping the PC. But this has been discussed many times over the past three years (or however long it's been) and it always turns out to be meaningless. Emagic and Apple have made their decision and we have to live with it. Either by switching platforms, or sticking with PCs and version 5.5. Or, of course, a different host.

I too have made my desicion, Logic 5.5 on a PC suits my needs just fine at the moment. As for the future... Well, who knows..?

[d2k]

And in case someone learned sequencing on a PC 8no matter what he/she'd be using), why in the world would one have to buy a Mac later on when being ready to shell out a bit more money?

...but then I'd still be using my Atari (who'da thunk it: "built-in MIDI"!!! )?!

Seriously though- I do worry about Logic further alienating itself in a PC pervasive world...
Personally though, if I do take the plunge one of my biggest concerns is not its feature-set, more what I'll do with the reams of material still residing in my PC - not necessarily songs but the endless PC-only apps and plugs that will never see the light of day on a mac.

Just a thought, but has anyone tried slaving say a notebook running Logic to its mac-incarnation?

Worst-case-scenario, if I end up running a mac at least I'd be well poised to adopt ProTools...

[Mr. Slater's Parrot]

DevonB:
I'll be diving into Sonar 3 PE here shortly to learn yet another tool. Really, I don't mind learning something new, as long as it works.

Be sure to post if you have any issues with Sonar, Devon.

Also, check out the Sonar forum at
http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tt.asp?forumid=5 -- lots of helpful and friendly folks.

Apologies for the OT detour ...

[Jaybez]

Used Logic for a few years and am very, very close to ditching it for Live. I think the only thing I will miss are the fx and instruments, I really came to depend on them for all the utility/bread and butter sort of jobs, oh I'll miss auto filter as well I always managed to sneak that into my tunes somewhere.
Can do without the environment as Ive gone 99% software now and EnergyXT gives me all the routing and arrpegiation I need.

with much sadness

[xoxos]

logic 4.8.1

'delay comp on busses' ??? if i throw a delay effect on a bus, it's f**ked, eg. the tape delay will miss a 1/4 beat here and there.. dunno what they did, but it's awful.. however, i experience no latency on busses if that's what you mean, so find them fully functional for all non-delay fx.

since i have no sidechain in 4, i simply invert a duplicate signal to use busses 'modularly.'

just want 5 plat for the extra audio tracks and fx sidechaining.

[ticketofame]

The environment, once its stongest part, has now turned out to be one of the weakest as it just didn't grow along with "modern needs".
Try to use an arpeggiator with virtual instruments - apart from the arpeggiator being a one trick pony from the past (man, look at the limited feature set), it simply won't work properly along with audio instruments. Once you start Logic at the position a chord running through an arpeggiator begins, you'll get a full blast of sound. Great. That's even true for Logic Pro.
You also still need to be in play mode to have the arpeggiator put out any sound at all. Again great, how modern..

I second that, too.

When the Emapple deal became known in the public, I also heard of Samplitude 7. I used the crossgrade offers made by Magix for Sam7 professional and by NI for Kontakt and stopped using Logic rather quick.
I must say that I'm quite happy with this decision as Samplitude is loosing its weak points rather fast and Logic on PC is becoming more and more obsolete. The lack of PDC, for example, is a real PITA with modern plugins that often cause some kind of latency.
Although I used Logic Platinum for some years, a Mac never was an option for me as I'm doing this as a hobby. I would have to get a G5 to satisfy my need for a fast computer for audio work, and I know better ways to spend that much money than for a machine that I won't need otherwise.

I think everybody who's still using Logic on PC and doesn't want to get cut off the development of new plugins should change the sequencer or the platform.

Regards, Philipp

[Sascha Franck]

I think everybody who's still using Logic on PC and doesn't want to get cut off the development of new plugins should change the sequencer or the platform.

Unfortunately I have to do BOTH.
Get a Mac to stay up to date with Logic (fortunately I can use one pretty often at the university for now, but that's no satisfying solution) and get used to Cubase SX to stay with some up-to-date PC sequencer.

Pretty much a cost and effort effective solution...