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[bmanic]

Envelopes only work on keygroup level, it's been mentioned several times already.

Yes but it is EXTREMELY bad design that you can actually add the thing and then nothing happens. Noticed this problem only because I got lucky and saw this right here.

So basically I was trying for ages to get an envelope to modulate the sparkverb width but nothing happened. Then I added an LFO and it worked right off the bat.

I shouldn't have been able to add that envelope in the first place. If something doesn't work, it should not be possible to execute. Heck it even shows up in the tree list as a valid modulation source, yet it just wont produce the results.

.. or then I just haven't figured out what can and can not be done. None the less.. my first 10 to 15 minutes with this thing have been fairly frustrating.. and when it comes to twiddling with synths, I'm no noob.

Another thing that frustrates me is the lack of drawing tools and quatinzing in the Mapper window. It's awesome that we CAN map stuff and scale things but that there are no snap tools or the ability to manipulate a line/bezier type system instead of rows of values is frustrating to say the least. Another area where Alchemy got Falcon beat by a mile. Then again I do like that you can type in your own formula but that won't work in many instances.

[EvilDragon]

..or they could make envelopes work at levels other than keygroup. Might be tricky, but, might be useful.

[wagtunes]

I actually like the way envelopes work. They're way more flexible this way.

[Hans25]

Another thing that frustrates me is the lack of drawing tools and quatinzing in the Mapper window. It's awesome that we CAN map stuff and scale things but that there are no snap tools or the ability to manipulate a line/bezier type system instead of rows of values is frustrating to say the least. Another area where Alchemy got Falcon beat by a mile. Then again I do like that you can type in your own formula but that won't work in many instances.

I agree with both of your points. It's bad design to have something that looks like it is possible to do but not implemented. That's like the GUI-programmer's rule nr. 1. Grey functions, buttons or whatever out when they are unusable or remove them. Make the user aware of this somehow.

The other thing about the "snapping" feature I agree with you but this functionality should be very simple to implement. A snap feature or line tool or whatever is not hard to implement.

[Hans25]

I'm still waiting on my discount. Don't you want my money or what even though it's just $179

[bmanic]

Another quick question to the sound designers/developers:

Is there a quick way of finding out what modulators modulate? I mean, I want to find all the places that Modwheel is assigned to in a patch. In Alchemy you would hit the "TARGET" button and you get a list of what modulation source is modulating where.

In complex patches you easily forget where you assigned stuff and it's vital to be able to quickly search for the modulation sources destinations. Is there a way to get a list of all the mod sources and what they modulate? So far I've only found the tedious way of checking each purple knob separately. Surely there must be a better way, no?

You can see this in the treeview with internal mod source by opening their node. not available for external mod like MIDI cc however

Please add it to the "to do.." list then. That's such a basic thing for this complex beast. I mean, I have a mega powerful synth where I can hide my Modwheel routings (or other valid CC data) all over the place. Then I return a week or month later to finalize the preset and I have to spend an hour just to figure out where and what my modwheel is doing.

In general I'd like to be able to immediately see WHAT is doing something and WHERE it is doing it. I'd also like to have context sensitive moving between source and target (vice versa too). For instance if I am on the MODS tab and have an LFO assigned to something why can't I immediately see the destinations in a drop down list right after the name of the modulator? And why can't I simply jump to the source from there?

Moving between elements in the patch is not at all intuitive in Falcon. In fact my first experience with it has been nothing short of frustrating.

[Hans25]

Yes. At least that's what I'm seeing. I'm likely to get Sparkverb with it, and it even asks you at checkout if you want to apply both coupons!

A little bragging rights. I bought from Best Service thinking the best we could expect from UVI is about $175.
Best Service came in at $208, UVI came in at $179. I paid $29 for a $100 voucher!

I don't want to ruin your hapiness but Sparkverb was on sale for about $70-80 some time ago. You can easily use those voucher on stuff that go on sale sooner or later.

I purchased the Best Service €150 gift voucher for €130 because of the €20 reduction this last weekend. So now I can either buy it at Best Service for €185 without VAT and get two vouchers of $100 or I can get the actual discount directly from UVI instead and save the gift voucher for another time. I chose the latter .

[Greg Houston]

So basically I was trying for ages to get an envelope to modulate the sparkverb width but nothing happened. Then I added an LFO and it worked right off the bat.

This was actually one of the very first things I tried to do while making a riser and was disappointed to find out there simply was no way to do it. I don't know how exactly it works in Serum since it just works as I would expect it to and haven't ever tried to analyze it, but just guessing without opening Serum to check I think the attack is applied to the summed effects if no note is being played, that the sustain of the envelope is held for as long as any notes are being played, and that if multiple notes are playing simultaneously that the release of the envelope is not applied to the summed effects until the final note is released. Since the attack, decay, sustain, release can be different per note, how Serum chooses which to apply at each point I have no idea, but again, it works so smoothly that I've never really given it any thought. My guess for simultaneously played and released notes is that it would simply default to the highest note, and then if multiple notes are played simultaneously, but released at different times, then the release of the last note released would be used. Just guessing though.

[bmanic]

... and I just noticed I can't add sparkverb in a keygroup. So there's no way of modulating the parameters of Sparkverb with an envelope then, eh?

EDIT: I'm really starting to regret this purchase. I did NOT buy Falcon to get another sample player/mangler. I bought it to get a proper hybrid synth but it's starting to seem frustratingly crippled. I guess I'm spoiled by Alchemy where you truly can modulate virtually everything with anything. If there's a knob with a ring around it, you can modulate it with ALL of the modulation sources available and then scale it to fit.

At the moment Falcon is not a good alternative for this kind of freedom. Is there a way to get a refund? I just bought it a few hours ago. Wish there was a demo available.. I should have waited for one.

[Sampleconstruct]

Envelopes only work on keygroup level, it's been mentioned several times already.

Yes but it is EXTREMELY bad design that you can actually add the thing and then nothing happens. Noticed this problem only because I got lucky and saw this right here.

So basically I was trying for ages to get an envelope to modulate the sparkverb width but nothing happened. Then I added an LFO and it worked right off the bat.

I shouldn't have been able to add that envelope in the first place. If something doesn't work, it should not be possible to execute. Heck it even shows up in the tree list as a valid modulation source, yet it just wont produce the results.

.. or then I just haven't figured out what can and can not be done. None the less.. my first 10 to 15 minutes with this thing have been fairly frustrating.. and when it comes to twiddling with synths, I'm no noob.

Another thing that frustrates me is the lack of drawing tools and quatinzing in the Mapper window. It's awesome that we CAN map stuff and scale things but that there are no snap tools or the ability to manipulate a line/bezier type system instead of rows of values is frustrating to say the least. Another area where Alchemy got Falcon beat by a mile. Then again I do like that you can type in your own formula but that won't work in many instances.

There are some useful mapper presets to get you started. In all instruments ever developed and still to be developed there will always be things not fitting our workflow or not working according to our preferences. But after a few days you'll get your head around Falcon and accept it's oddities - or not...

[wagtunes]

... and I just noticed I can't add sparkverb in a keygroup. So there's no way of modulating the parameters of Sparkverb with an envelope then, eh?

EDIT: I'm really starting to regret this purchase. I did NOT buy Falcon to get another sample player/mangler. I bought it to get a proper hybrid synth but it's starting to seem frustratingly crippled. I guess I'm spoiled by Alchemy where you truly can modulate virtually everything with anything. If there's a knob with a ring around it, you can modulate it with ALL of the modulation sources available and then scale it to fit.

At the moment Falcon is not a good alternative for this kind of freedom. Is there a way to get a refund? I just bought it a few hours ago. Wish there was a demo available.. I should have waited for one.

Actually, yes you can modulate Sparkverb with an envelope.

[Sampleconstruct]

... and I just noticed I can't add sparkverb in a keygroup. So there's no way of modulating the parameters of Sparkverb with an envelope then, eh?

EDIT: I'm really starting to regret this purchase. I did NOT buy Falcon to get another sample player/mangler. I bought it to get a proper hybrid synth but it's starting to seem frustratingly crippled. I guess I'm spoiled by Alchemy where you truly can modulate virtually everything with anything. If there's a knob with a ring around it, you can modulate it with ALL of the modulation sources available and then scale it to fit.

At the moment Falcon is not a good alternative for this kind of freedom. Is there a way to get a refund? I just bought it a few hours ago. Wish there was a demo available.. I should have waited for one.

Envelopes work per voice, each new note played triggers the envelope - you can't insert a reverb per voice unless you have a computer yet to be developed. FX like e.g. ring modulation can be inserted on keygroup level as you would want to modulate RM frequency with key follow maybe, and that's no problem CPU-wise, but Spark Verb just wouldn't work per voice played.

[Sampleconstruct]

... and I just noticed I can't add sparkverb in a keygroup. So there's no way of modulating the parameters of Sparkverb with an envelope then, eh?

EDIT: I'm really starting to regret this purchase. I did NOT buy Falcon to get another sample player/mangler. I bought it to get a proper hybrid synth but it's starting to seem frustratingly crippled. I guess I'm spoiled by Alchemy where you truly can modulate virtually everything with anything. If there's a knob with a ring around it, you can modulate it with ALL of the modulation sources available and then scale it to fit.

At the moment Falcon is not a good alternative for this kind of freedom. Is there a way to get a refund? I just bought it a few hours ago. Wish there was a demo available.. I should have waited for one.

Actually, yes you can modulate Sparkverb with an envelope.

How would you do that then?

[Cinebient]

I hope there will be someday a way to enable multi-core support. I tryed now to make some more complex patches but with just one wavetable unison and some modulations and FX i´m already over (even at 1024 sample rate). So i doubt i can use it really like i want.
However, it´s a great tool for sample manipulation and especially pads and soundscapes are great to achieve with this. But i think this is made for really powerful cpu´s

F.e. this here is eaten up already my CPU (i7 haswell 2.0 quadcore). It´s still a simpler patch and i play just 2-3 notes at the same time (polphony is set to 16). I just started...... but just hit the wall of (CPU) limits.

https://soundcloud.com/cinebient/falcon ... es-playing

[wagtunes]

... and I just noticed I can't add sparkverb in a keygroup. So there's no way of modulating the parameters of Sparkverb with an envelope then, eh?

EDIT: I'm really starting to regret this purchase. I did NOT buy Falcon to get another sample player/mangler. I bought it to get a proper hybrid synth but it's starting to seem frustratingly crippled. I guess I'm spoiled by Alchemy where you truly can modulate virtually everything with anything. If there's a knob with a ring around it, you can modulate it with ALL of the modulation sources available and then scale it to fit.

At the moment Falcon is not a good alternative for this kind of freedom. Is there a way to get a refund? I just bought it a few hours ago. Wish there was a demo available.. I should have waited for one.

Actually, yes you can modulate Sparkverb with an envelope.

How would you do that then?

According to what I'm seeing, you place Sparkverb at the Program level.

You then right click on the parameter you want to modulate and choose Add Modulation, Program, New Analog ADSR