KVR Audio

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:23 pm

For me that is the key thing, it's not about cpu power or multiple instances, I have my Mac and Laptop for that, I got my iPad primarily because it offered a more immediate and tactile way of interacting with instruments and fx.

iPlogger · Post by **iPlogger** » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:03 pm

Thanks for sharing that. Exactly what I try to stress. Get the tool for your needs. I am not into what is better because that is completely up to each person's individual needs.

> One of the biggest advantages to me is that I can now have layers of Alchemy and Synthmaster while playing live

BTW, something I wrote earlier may be mis-read. I didn't mean you can't layer Alchemy and Synthmaster together on an iPad. What I meant was you can't layer multiple Synthmaster sounds or Alchemy sounds. You are limited to one sound from each app at a time. I am now able to layer three pad sounds from Alchemy, for example.

Also, my username here is actually because I so absolutely loved the iPad, I had thought of starting an iPad blog (so...iPlogger). I never got anywhere with it, though, as there are already so many great blogs out there.

telebunke · Post by **telebunke** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:37 pm

I assume the following is gonna happen:
- iPad Pro has power enough to run quite some instances of ... (for example Synthmaster, which uses about 23% of my CPU power on the iPad Air first generation)
- Synthmaster will be available as AU plugin soon
- Synthmaster support for more than 1 AU-plugin instance will cost extra money as an inAppPuchase

- I will buy that
- I will soon see that I need a faster iPad than my iPad Air
- it won't take long and an iPad Pro will not be fast enough either

So even if the iPad Pro was the "last instrument I ever need", I will need new versions of the iPad Pro again and again

tele

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:07 pm

AU extensions will be cool.
Also, as developers update their apps to support split screen, then the Pro could possibly be used like two iPad minis side by side.

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keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:55 pm

telebunke wrote:I assume the following is gonna happen:
- iPad Pro has power enough to run quite some instances of ... (for example Synthmaster, which uses about 23% of my CPU power on the iPad Air first generation)
- Synthmaster will be available as AU plugin soon
- Synthmaster support for more than 1 AU-plugin instance will cost extra money as an inAppPuchase
- I will buy that
- I will soon see that I need a faster iPad than my iPad Air
- it won't take long and an iPad Pro will not be fast enough either

So even if the iPad Pro was the "last instrument I ever need", I will need new versions of the iPad Pro again and again

tele

Yes, but the iPad Pro is the only instrument you will need to keep updating. Everything else is the same.

I have a first-gen iPad that runs iOS 5 and kicks ass. I use it as an audio recorder, youtube music and as a pdf viewer. It is smoother and faster than my gen2 ipads running iOS 9. Unfortunately that also means no modern apps unless you get really lucky.

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:23 pm

keyman_sam wrote:
telebunke wrote:I assume the following is gonna happen:
- iPad Pro has power enough to run quite some instances of ... (for example Synthmaster, which uses about 23% of my CPU power on the iPad Air first generation)
- Synthmaster will be available as AU plugin soon
- Synthmaster support for more than 1 AU-plugin instance will cost extra money as an inAppPuchase
- I will buy that
- I will soon see that I need a faster iPad than my iPad Air
- it won't take long and an iPad Pro will not be fast enough either

So even if the iPad Pro was the "last instrument I ever need", I will need new versions of the iPad Pro again and again

tele
Yes, but the iPad Pro is the only instrument you will need to keep updating. Everything else is the same.

I have a first-gen iPad that runs iOS 5 and kicks ass. I use it as an audio recorder, youtube music and as a pdf viewer. It is smoother and faster than my gen2 ipads running iOS 9. Unfortunately that also means no modern apps unless you get really lucky.

I too have a first gen and have a qn re your YouTube comment.

The OS came with a YouTube version which is no longer supported. I've therefore had to install another version and both sit there together. However the original YouTube is still set to the default.

Is it possible to delete the original version and/or make the new one the default?

iPlogger · Post by **iPlogger** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:09 pm

I did eventually sell our iPad 1s, but I do have an iPad 2. I needed to write out some music last week, so loaded up Notion and it worked great. My iPad 4 did not have enough space left to install it. Then my daughter saw me with it and has now taken it over again. But definitely. If you don't mind not having the latest, greatest, the older iPads are certainly very productive. The 2 has been good as a drum machine (DM-1), can be a useful metronome, good for chord charts....at this point, the money I'd get from selling it wouldn't make up for the use it still has.

cron · Post by **cron** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:38 pm

I've found most use for the iPad as a MIDI controller. Running an iPad 3 here, but MIDI controller apps tend to be super lightweight as they're not doing any synthesis so CPU isn't an issue. Also meant I got my iPad audio/MIDI interface *very* cheap (Line 6 MIDI Mobiliser was £5 IIRC) as the iPad 3 uses the old, discontinued connector. It's pretty much the ultimate MIDI controller. The Beatsurfing video below is pure MIDI, controlling plugs on a laptop.

On the actual synthesis side, there are some amazing things going on that just aren't practical with traditional interfaces. TC-11 is probably the shining light here (and you can get a MIDI/OSC version called TC-Data that allows you to control plug-ins on your desktop with the same interface). The actual synthesis architecture of TC-11 is surprisingly simple. It's the sheer density of available control parameters the touch screen enables that make it sound so complex. There are hundreds available that aren't immediately obvious: average touch position, time since last touch, number of touches, accelerometer data...

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:45 pm

Thanks didn't know about TC Data, bit expensive though.

cron · Post by **cron** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:56 pm

aMUSEd wrote:Thanks didn't know about TC Data, bit expensive though.

Yeah, it's a shame that TC-11 and TC-Data are different products IMO, although I can't begrudge the developer for selling them separately as they're both excellent and he needs to make his money. Think they were £20 each when I bought them - not sure if they ever go on sale. Certainly the upper end of what apps typically cost, but I've easily had £20's worth of use out of each to be fair.

iPlogger · Post by **iPlogger** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:57 pm

I use TB MIDI Stuff for editing some hardware, sending patch changes, and making sound changes live. I've found Ctrlr for Windows/Mac/Linux but haven't yet used it. It's on my list to try, but I have higher priorities right now.

I've certainly wanted to try Lemur for iPad.

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 5:54 am

Mushy Mushy wrote:
keyman_sam wrote:
telebunke wrote:I assume the following is gonna happen:
- iPad Pro has power enough to run quite some instances of ... (for example Synthmaster, which uses about 23% of my CPU power on the iPad Air first generation)
- Synthmaster will be available as AU plugin soon
- Synthmaster support for more than 1 AU-plugin instance will cost extra money as an inAppPuchase
- I will buy that
- I will soon see that I need a faster iPad than my iPad Air
- it won't take long and an iPad Pro will not be fast enough either

So even if the iPad Pro was the "last instrument I ever need", I will need new versions of the iPad Pro again and again

tele
Yes, but the iPad Pro is the only instrument you will need to keep updating. Everything else is the same.

I have a first-gen iPad that runs iOS 5 and kicks ass. I use it as an audio recorder, youtube music and as a pdf viewer. It is smoother and faster than my gen2 ipads running iOS 9. Unfortunately that also means no modern apps unless you get really lucky.
I too have a first gen and have a qn re your YouTube comment.

The OS came with a YouTube version which is no longer supported. I've therefore had to install another version and both sit there together. However the original YouTube is still set to the default.

Is it possible to delete the original version and/or make the new one the default?

Actually, thanks for asking this question. I had the same problem and was using safari, but now I went to app store -> Purchased apps -> Not on this device (ipad) -> Youtube -> install it and $$$ IT WORKS!!!

Hallelujah my first gen dino iPad can do stuff!

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:24 am

cron wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:Thanks didn't know about TC Data, bit expensive though.
Yeah, it's a shame that TC-11 and TC-Data are different products IMO, although I can't begrudge the developer for selling them separately as they're both excellent and he needs to make his money. Think they were £20 each when I bought them - not sure if they ever go on sale. Certainly the upper end of what apps typically cost, but I've easily had £20's worth of use out of each to be fair.

That beatsurfing thing is the most impressive iPad audio app demo I've seen. Once i get a iPad midi thingamagee

cron · Post by **cron** » Thu Nov 05, 2015 11:36 pm

It's an amazing app, but it's not instant fun. That set-up in the video is insanely complex. You have to manually define the behaviour of each object you add; there's loads of objects in the that video that behave differently say, on every other swipe. I've got some stuff going with it, but there's generally about 30 mins to an hour of work involved to get something simple like a drum kit going. Once you've got something going though, man it's fun! I guess I'll get better/faster with practice

Hermutt Lobby are amazing with this kind of stuff incidentally - lots of skill involved. They to do this kind of stuff with traditional controllers set up in similarly bonkers ways and make it look effortless.

Anyway, one more video. Why not

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:57 pm

cron wrote:It's an amazing app, but it's not instant fun. That set-up in the video is insanely complex. You have to manually define the behaviour of each object you add; there's loads of objects in the that video that behave differently say, on every other swipe. I've got some stuff going with it, but there's generally about 30 mins to an hour of work involved to get something simple like a drum kit going. Once you've got something going though, man it's fun! I guess I'll get better/faster with practice

Hermutt Lobby are amazing with this kind of stuff incidentally - lots of skill involved. They to do this kind of stuff with traditional controllers set up in similarly bonkers ways and make it look effortless.

Anyway, one more video. Why not

That is SICK.

iPad Pro - a tool to cure all GAS forever?