Someone made a passing comment a while back about Live being like Audiomulch with bells on. If this is the case, I'm extremely interested as AudioMulch has been like a dream come true for me as far as my creativity is concerned.
Or maybe this comment was totally off the mark.
Just what can Live do at v4 that AudioMulch can't, and vice-versa.
Cheers folks.
Live 4 vs AudioMulch
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- KVRAF
- 3506 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
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- KVRAF
- 7315 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
Meh... if you want to start comparing the taste of fish to the texture of wood, then carry on with this thread.
They're different kettles of fish.
They're different kettles of fish.
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
hmmmnnn ...
... you CAN set mulch up as a kind of live composition tool but its not a patch on live4 / live4 for this because ...
(a) its not designed for this task in mind - its strength is mangling and processing audio rather than loop-based composition
(b) the loop player contraptions in audiomulch have no real timestretching capabilities beyond pitching samples up or down (like an old-fashioned hardware sampler)
on the other hand ...
(a) you can setup effects chains in mulch that would be impossible (or at best VERY difficult even with the new routing options in live4) in the ableton application
(b) for freeform / ambient live performance id take mulch over live4 every time - with mulch youre less OBVIOUSLY tied to bar / beat divisions
... having said that i have both apps and use them both (although as ive said mulch tends to be for more 'experimental' stuff and live for 'straighter' beats stuff)
check my contribution to vurts space music project for a recorded live performance from within audiomulch ...
http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50426
slainte
rob
... you CAN set mulch up as a kind of live composition tool but its not a patch on live4 / live4 for this because ...
(a) its not designed for this task in mind - its strength is mangling and processing audio rather than loop-based composition
(b) the loop player contraptions in audiomulch have no real timestretching capabilities beyond pitching samples up or down (like an old-fashioned hardware sampler)
on the other hand ...
(a) you can setup effects chains in mulch that would be impossible (or at best VERY difficult even with the new routing options in live4) in the ableton application
(b) for freeform / ambient live performance id take mulch over live4 every time - with mulch youre less OBVIOUSLY tied to bar / beat divisions
... having said that i have both apps and use them both (although as ive said mulch tends to be for more 'experimental' stuff and live for 'straighter' beats stuff)
check my contribution to vurts space music project for a recorded live performance from within audiomulch ...
http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50426
slainte
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- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
Depending on how long ago the statement was said re: live vs. mulch, it may have been me who said it. Something like "Live was a less ugly, and less versatile, form of Mulch." I don't think I agree with that any more, but there are definitely lots of crossover points between the two. Both have great effects, too.
Live's strength is really to let you control the loops to a greater degree and make everything fit together. Much more a real-time sequencer, although it does allow you the room to improvise like it were an instrument.
So like Rob suggests, think of Mulch as tit for Live's tat.
My current PC didn't like Live much, but it is one of the few software bits out there on my radar.
Cheers,
Steve
I disagree on this point, I actually think Mulch was designed for loop-based composition as well. But...pHz wrote:(a) its not designed for this task in mind - its strength is mangling and processing audio rather than loop-based composition
This is a major difference between the two. A lot of Mulch's interface and functionality lends to a more freeform use, allowing a certain degree of chaos as a compositional tool. Mulch has always felt more like an instrument to me than a sequencer, although it does have controlled linear features.pHz wrote:(b) the loop player contraptions in audiomulch have no real timestretching capabilities beyond pitching samples up or down (like an old-fashioned hardware sampler)
Live's strength is really to let you control the loops to a greater degree and make everything fit together. Much more a real-time sequencer, although it does allow you the room to improvise like it were an instrument.
So like Rob suggests, think of Mulch as tit for Live's tat.
My current PC didn't like Live much, but it is one of the few software bits out there on my radar.
Cheers,
Steve
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3506 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
Thanks people. Seems as though Mulch is the app for me at the moment.
I've had a lot of success using Mulch as a loop based beat mangler (if my John Barnes rap destructo-mix and Blazin' Squad 13/4 prog mashup is anything to go by
), though the lack of time stretching could become a bit of an arse. It's also a small gripe, but I wish its contraptions supported mp3 (I didn't buy Blazin' Squad's music y'know 
).
A few improvements here and there, particularly tweaks in the automation editing department (invert amplitude, reverse, change length, curves, an LFO mode, etc etc ad infinitum) and it'd go from being the best app I've ever used to the best app I'll ever use.
I've had a lot of success using Mulch as a loop based beat mangler (if my John Barnes rap destructo-mix and Blazin' Squad 13/4 prog mashup is anything to go by
), though the lack of time stretching could become a bit of an arse. It's also a small gripe, but I wish its contraptions supported mp3 (I didn't buy Blazin' Squad's music y'know ).A few improvements here and there, particularly tweaks in the automation editing department (invert amplitude, reverse, change length, curves, an LFO mode, etc etc ad infinitum) and it'd go from being the best app I've ever used to the best app I'll ever use.
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Fernando Carvalho Fernando Carvalho https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=31855
- KVRist
- 208 posts since 5 Jul, 2004
I see live as an amzing experimental environment, it´s not just a loop sequencer. Look in deep at the clip envelopes and the audio routing. Feedback, live sampling, granular madness, live audio processing, random sequencing... It´s all in there. Add destroy fx and smart electronix plugs and you will meet a digital mangling heaven.
Audiomulch is a great program too. I like how it sounds. But for me Live is the biggest thing for us, digital audio freaks, since Max/Msp
Audiomulch is a great program too. I like how it sounds. But for me Live is the biggest thing for us, digital audio freaks, since Max/Msp