New granular synth: The Mangle

[rustman]

I watched the Crusher X 5 video
http://www.accsone.com/content/blogcate ... g,english/
was not at imprsseive. Wooooosh, Wooooosh! Hah?
What did I miss?
Perhaps another video shows what Crusher X can do that is more musical?

Simon has some vids on his Youtube channel. You might check those out. It's been quite a while since I've viewed them, so I don't recall any details.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

It is a shame Tom's MIA.. am I wrong for thinking it's not particularly classy to use The Mangle thread to promote something else?

Less classy than selling a product and then disappearing?

I think when the conversation has been centring around the fact that the dev has disappeared and someone else is offering an alternative, I don't think it's too bad.

what's the alternative? missed that part somewhere.

for granular ?? loads

standalone VST instrument that is all granular and not a granular engine amidst a load of other crap i don't want/need?


yeah.. i know.. reaktor, maxforlive etc.. but the great thing about Granite and the mangle is they're standalone things i can use easily w/o having to deal with reaktor's various menus and snapshots etc...

i'm all ears if you have a suggestion for 64bit OS X friendly AU/VST granular synth that isn't layered with bullshit.

well, reaktor is stand-alons enough for me (clearly, not for you)

these days, i'm getting my granular fix mainly via ipad e.g borderlands, idensity. then there's alchemy, of course. also dabbling with cecilia5

i remember not particularly liking granite, and i got bad feelings about mangle long before they were confirmed

guess i'm not much help then

[dayjob]

I watched the Crusher X 5 video
http://www.accsone.com/content/blogcate ... g,english/
was not at imprsseive. Wooooosh, Wooooosh! Hah?
What did I miss?
Perhaps another video shows what Crusher X can do that is more musical?

it does a lot. it's worth downloading the demo and experimenting both as real time processor (quantized granular stuff is really nice) and as a granular synth in midi mode.

it's very very different compared to granite and the mangle. it's more of an academic feel but gives lot's and lot's of control over everything and has a lot of modulation. a very different interface and approach though.

i don't own it... just been messing with the demo (again) for a while.

[rod_zero]

The alternative si padshop pro

[dayjob]

Crusher-X
http://www.crusher-x.de

does it ever go on sale? works out to like $200 US. would be more reasonable if it didn't add the 28 euro VAT.

[Echoes in the Attic]

For those who own Kontact, there is also a nice little instrument called granulate:
http://willbedfordmusic.co.uk/granulate.html

[rustman]

Mmultibandgranular will twist any synth you have pretty effectively (npi) as well.

[Unfocused]

Maybe Tom is in negotiations with NI and the Mangle is going to be incorporated into Kontakt 6 (crosses fingers).


-u

[Igor Amos]

I've been trying to use Mangle and there are some (workaroundable yet annoying) bugs I'm discovering. I'll try to compile a list. Anyone else find any?

[Sampleconstruct]

I watched the Crusher X 5 video
http://www.accsone.com/content/blogcate ... g,english/
was not at imprsseive. Wooooosh, Wooooosh! Hah?
What did I miss?
Perhaps another video shows what Crusher X can do that is more musical?

it does a lot. it's worth downloading the demo and experimenting both as real time processor (quantized granular stuff is really nice) and as a granular synth in midi mode.

it's very very different compared to granite and the mangle. it's more of an academic feel but gives lot's and lot's of control over everything and has a lot of modulation. a very different interface and approach though.

i don't own it... just been messing with the demo (again) for a while.

crusherX is still the most capable granulator on this planet, the learning curve is steep, but I've been using it daily for many years now, with version 5 it got even more advanced. And the Midi implementation turns it into a synth if you like, just load a wav and play. Also it has a sine generator which can be mixed in with the processed audio or used exclusively, and it's surround capabilities are stunning. By using the customizable shapes, one can also quantize pitch like in The Mangle and create tonal grain clouds, quantized to any scale (and it loads tuning files too), it just takes a while to edit but is in fact much more versatile.

Some of my crusher-experiments are in this youtube playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... f8beh27kYJ

here is one of them:

[Shabdahbriah]

THAT ^^^ is COOL!!!

[wasi]

crusherX is still the most capable granulator on this planet, the learning curve is steep, but I've been using it daily for many years now, with version 5 it got even more advanced.

What exactly makes it so much more advanced, compared to, say, MMultiBandGranular or now Falcon? I was always intrigued most by the XYZ-graph.

[Sampleconstruct]

crusherX is still the most capable granulator on this planet, the learning curve is steep, but I've been using it daily for many years now, with version 5 it got even more advanced.

What exactly makes it so much more advanced, compared to, say, MMultiBandGranular or now Falcon? I was always intrigued most by the XYZ-graph.

It's too complex to explain it in a few sentences, it's the detail and amount of grain control and the modulation options which makes it much more advanced, and most important - the sound quality, plus you can create another grain cloud on top of the multiple grain streams which has even more independent controls. Each parameter has an independent modulator, and the grain shapes in crusher are numerous, or you just draw your own grain-shapes and distortion wave-shapes.

Crusher can create dozens of parallel grain streams, Falcon/HALion does 8 at the most, The Mangle does exactly 1. MBandGranular does not allow control for grain birth time, meaning the time it takes to create a new grain within a stream, it's probably the most random of all, but it still sounds good and has a lot of nice features. Then crusher either processes incoming audio, or plays/granulates loaded wav files, or creates sinewave textures without any external input. Falcon/HALion don't process incoming audio, Melda only processes incoming audio.

You want more?

EDIT:
And crusher does grain times of up to 60 seconds (per grain), no other granulator can do this.

[wasi]

Thanks, that's about what I figured but I was wondering if I was missing something else. The cloud within a cloud for example.

I guess my approach is somewhat less sophisticated in that a certain element of chaos is what draws me to granular synthesis. So when I see the micro-controls in Crushers I think, "why would I want that in granular synthesis?"

I'll be getting Crusher X eventually, it's probably the only granular instrument left that I don't own. It's just a bit on the upper edge of the price range for a 'pure' granulator. Need to play with it again some time.

[Shabdahbriah]

Thanks, that's about what I figured but I was wondering if I was missing something else. The cloud within a cloud for example.

I guess my approach is somewhat less sophisticated in that a certain element of chaos is what draws me to granular synthesis. So when I see the micro-controls in Crushers I think, "why would I want that in granular synthesis?"

I'll be getting Crusher X eventually, it's probably the only granular instrument left that I don't own. It's just a bit on the upper edge of the price range for a 'pure' granulator. Need to play with it again some time.

https://xenakios.wordpress.com/downloads/