I Dream of Wires

[incubus]

NIN has always been a little hit or miss for me. Even PHM had its stronger songs. And if his music isn't your cup of tea, nothing wrong with that. But I would hardly describe him as mainstream. Actually, it's more like the mainstream moved a bit to the side and embraced his more unconventional sound. I certainly wouldn't compare him to the slew of copycat industrial-tinged rock groups which followed. And okay, he works in a fairly conventional song structure, and he isn't exactly Throbbing Gristle, but that doesn't make him any less credible as an artist.

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I don't want to get all "KVR" and off topic, but again, he made gazillions off of being "digital". Nothing wrong with that, but some of the elitist comments by him (and several others) is horseshit.

Anyways, I loved it. I'd rather see something like that with the horseshit than nothing at all. But moog rules

[deastman]

NIN has always been a little hit or miss for me. Even PHM had its stronger songs. And if his music isn't your cup of tea, nothing wrong with that. But I would hardly describe him as mainstream. Actually, it's more like the mainstream moved a bit to the side and embraced his more unconventional sound. I certainly wouldn't compare him to the slew of copycat industrial-tinged rock groups which followed. And okay, he works in a fairly conventional song structure, and he isn't exactly Throbbing Gristle, but that doesn't make him any less credible as an artist.

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I don't want to get all "KVR" and off topic, but again, he made gazillions off of being "digital". Nothing wrong with that, but some of the elitist comments by him (and several others) is horseshit.

Anyways, I loved it. I'd rather see something like that with the horseshit than nothing at all. But moog rules

Yes, but then again, I suspect he was happy to be done with the Emax and trying to get the Audiomedia II card to play back reliably from StudioVision (I know I was, on both counts!). It seems to me that his move from digital to analog was genuine and not done for marketing purposes. I use both digital and analog myself, but if I was being interviewed for a documentary on the rise of modular synths, or for that matter, a tribute to the Minimoog, I wouldn't be espousing the many benefits of sticking with digital. I don't really see how that amounts to hypocrisy, or whatever term you want to use. You also need to keep in mind that during interviews, he's being asked specific questions and probably being led in a particular direction, such as "Can you say a few words about the ways in which analog is better than digital?"

[whyterabbyt]

So, a thread about something interesting trolled into yet another 'XXXX sucks' thread. Who'd a thunk it?

[Harry_HH]

So, a thread about something interesting trolled into yet another 'XXXX sucks' thread. Who'd a thunk it?

You took my words - but on the other hand, I see absolute value in free discussion, in some limits.

[Jace-BeOS]

I'll go further with Reznor, and it's not the first time he's done this, he tries to come off as this "purist" but he isn't one.

I have nothing against him, I have nothing against purists, but please don't bullshit me with that elitist attitude, you used digital just like 10's of thousands before you and you made mad-cash because of it. Saying how much you like that stuff would be a completely different thing, but probably wouldn't sell or cause as much "discussion" on music forums

What's next, someone trying to tell me that netflix/DVD/blueray/HD tv is a shitty digital medium to deliver that drivel on?

I think he's just enamored with something that's relatively new to him (the last decade). I think he's been kind of naive about some things and takes to them with a strong crusade-like attitude when he finally gets to them because it's new TO HIM. That's ok, sometimes. I do it too. But I can also be bothered by it as well. Depends on the specific examples.

Also, I grew up on trackers to make my music. Today I barely use trackers. I have a lot of complaints about trackers and their sound quality and usability. Am I a hypocrite? I don't think so. I changed with the availability of the tools and moved on to things I like MORE, which revealed the limitations I wasn't as consciously bothered about in the old tools.

People change. Maintaining consistency of attitude is nice, but not the majority of the way things work... if we are open to change; some synth bands have rejected changing anything about their gear and style. Listening to a sampler of a friend's former band threw me for a loop when it sounded like it was from the late 80s/early 90s, but was from the early 2000s

[Jace-BeOS]

So, a thread about something interesting trolled into yet another 'XXXX sucks' thread. Who'd a thunk it?

You took my words - but on the other hand, I see absolute value in free discussion, in some limits.

Agreed. With minor exception, i think this discursive conversation is still okay. It has my attention.

Anyway, where might I be able to legitimately view the long version of the documentary without buying DVDs?

[Numanoid]

trolled

Good job that doesn't apply to signatures. If you got a problem, why don't you just report it to PC Numbo, he'll set you straight

[Aloysius]

My eyesight is a bit wonky this morning. I thought the title was 'I Dream of Whores'.

[Harry_HH]

My eyesight is a bit wonky this morning. I thought the title was 'I Dream of Whores'.

The problem may be elsewhere than in the eye.

[Jace-BeOS]

My eyesight is a bit wonky this morning. I thought the title was 'I Dream of Whores'.

Guess that's one of those so-called Freudian slips.

[Aloysius]

Probably

[whyterabbyt]

trolled

Good job that doesn't apply to signatures.

Im sure if there was a problem with my signature, someone would have reported it to a moderator by now.

If you got a problem, why don't you just report it to PC Numbo, he'll set you straight

Oh, okay. Cheers.

Hey, PC Numbo, hop to it, set me straight, there's a good boy.

[deastman]

Anyway, where might I be able to legitimately view the long version of the documentary without buying DVDs?

You can't, as far as I know. The hardcore edition was only available for pre-order while they were still in production. I haven't seen the theatrical release, but it looks like the DVD includes an extra hour of bonus content, so that isn't too bad.

On the hardcore edition, it is really two separate films. The first hour is all the historical stuff, and then the remainder focuses on manufacturers, users, different formats, festivals, the reemergence of modular, and Jason's (contrived, imho) journey to discover if modular synths are right for him.

[Jace-BeOS]

Amazon dot com: "New & used (4) from $74.99"

Hah hah hah hah hah, nooooo....

[RichieWitch]

NIN has always been a little hit or miss for me. Even PHM had its stronger songs. And if his music isn't your cup of tea, nothing wrong with that. But I would hardly describe him as mainstream. Actually, it's more like the mainstream moved a bit to the side and embraced his more unconventional sound. I certainly wouldn't compare him to the slew of copycat industrial-tinged rock groups which followed. And okay, he works in a fairly conventional song structure, and he isn't exactly Throbbing Gristle, but that doesn't make him any less credible as an artist.

Back on topic... I just watched the Netflix version the other night and enjoyed it. I put the Hardcore version on my Christmas wish list, so maybe Santa will bring it to me. Looking forward to seeing more about the manufacturers/users.