KVR Audio

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:52 am

comfortablynick wrote:
valhallasound wrote:If you had a mono plate (i.e. one output), or one output from a stereo plate, you could pan this wherever you wanted. For ValhallaPlate, you would want to run it on a mono send, and select the mono-in, mono-out option in your DAW. This is essentially one of the output channels of the plugin, and replicates the mono-out of a plate. Follow up ValhallaPlate with a panner, and you can put it wherever you want in the stereo field.
Hi Sean,

Since Reaper doesn't have "mono" channels, do you know how I could best accomplish the same result as you describe above? Setting the width knob to 0% doesn't sound quite right to me, and I do love the occasional mono reverb return.

I'm not sure how to do this in Reaper. You'd want to take either the left or right output channel from ValhallaPlate, and send it to the center channel. Does Reaper have a multi-mono option?

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:58 am

New blog post, about ValhallaPlate, diffusion, and presets:

https://valhalladsp.com/2015/11/18/valh ... d-presets/

tl:dr ValhallaPlate doesn't have a diffusion control, because it doesn't need one - it is maximally diffuse, without the artifacts associated with diffusion in other algorithmic reverbs.

Sean Costello

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:21 am

Just noticed this and downlaoded the demo. Will check it ASAP.

A few months ago i was heavily interested in Reverbs and besides VAlhallaVintageVerb that i alraedy had got Lexicon MPX Native and also SKNote Verbtone which is a physical modeled emulation of a real plate Reverb.

Will try to compare ValhallaPlate against Verbtone. Of course Valhalla Plate seems to be more versatile than Verbtone (which is based an emulation on a custom built real plate) but i like Verbtone and am interested in how far ValhallaPlate could be a replacement or not.

SuitcaseOfLizards · Post by **SuitcaseOfLizards** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:01 pm

I came.. I heard.. I bought!

Fun times this weekend!

comfortablynick · Post by **comfortablynick** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:42 pm

valhallasound wrote:I'm not sure how to do this in Reaper. You'd want to take either the left or right output channel from ValhallaPlate, and send it to the center channel. Does Reaper have a multi-mono option?

Thanks for the reply, Sean. The channel I/O of each plugin can be manipulated in Reaper via the "pin connectors" like this (default stereo configuration):

It's not the most user-friendly, but it should do the job. Logically, channels 1 & 2 could be combined to the plugin input 1, and plugin output 1 could be routed back out to channels 1 & 2. I noticed the sound varies whether I use plugin input 1 or 2, and I assume this is by design (the plate "pickups" would have different frequency characteristics due to dispersion, etc).

Is there any way to route the audio where the plugin would behave like a mono plate, or will it always behave like trying to take one output from a stereo plate? Using the width knob set to 0% sounds like summing the outputs of a stereo reverb, which sometimes sounds okay but usually not as good as a true mono reverb.

Ingonator wrote:Will try to compare ValhallaPlate against Verbtone. Of course Valhalla Plate seems to be more versatile than Verbtone (which is based an emulation on a custom built real plate) but i like Verbtone and am interested in how far ValhallaPlate could be a replacement or not.

Please post the results of your comparison. I just put Verbtone on a test project and to me it sounds a lot thinner than VPlate. VPlate has richness and depth like the EMT 140, whereas Verbtone sounds more like it was modeled off of a homemade stainless steel plate. There definitely seems to be some magic with a well-tuned EMT 140 that even other plate reverbs can't replicate. You can always add some saturation on the front end of VPlate if you want the "overdriven plate" sound which is a feature of Verbtone. I also like the simplicity of VPlate compared to Verbtone...some of the parameters on Verbtone are wonky (a knob called "Sound") and most parameters just go from 0-100 so it's a little difficult to use.

On my system, Verbtone uses 3x the CPU of VPlate, and adds 2048 samples of latency. There are a lot of artifacts (clicks, skips, etc.) that happen when changing parameters during playback. IMO, one big problem with SKNote to me is that a lot of his plugins end up poorly supported. He has released a ton of plugins and hardware since Verbtone but there are a lot of stability issues with Verbtone that have gone unfixed for years. I think there may be some undiagnosed ADHD, or perhaps an adjustment in meds would be helpful.

That said, I do like the channel routing options he provided so that the stereo response can be customized. Being able to choose from true stereo, mono > stereo, or mono is something I personally would like to see in VPlate (as well as VRoom and VVV). Unfortunately I don't think that will happen.

Nick

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:55 pm

SyntheticAurality wrote:I came.. I heard.. I bought!

Veni Audi Cha-chingi.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:01 pm

rustman wrote:
SyntheticAurality wrote:I came.. I heard.. I bought!
Veni Audi Cha-chingi.

LOLZ

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:03 pm

rustman wrote:
SyntheticAurality wrote:I came.. I heard.. I bought!
Veni Audi Cha-chingi.

Priceless.

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:51 pm

comfortablynick wrote:The channel I/O of each plugin can be manipulated in Reaper via the "pin connectors" like this (default stereo configuration):

It's not the most user-friendly, but it should do the job. Logically, channels 1 & 2 could be combined to the plugin input 1, and plugin output 1 could be routed back out to channels 1 & 2. I noticed the sound varies whether I use plugin input 1 or 2, and I assume this is by design (the plate "pickups" would have different frequency characteristics due to dispersion, etc).

This is true. The outputs of the reverb will be decorrelated, and one channel will have more dispersion than the other. This results in one channel having a bit more "PEW!"

Is there any way to route the audio where the plugin would behave like a mono plate, or will it always behave like trying to take one output from a stereo plate?

A mono plate is identical to a stereo plate, just with one output pickup fitted. So taking either the left or right output from ValhallaPlate will be the same as a mono plate, assuming that you are feeding the input to both the left and right inputs. ValhallaPlate splits up the mono input of most plates into a stereo input, but will act like a mono plate if the same signal is fed into the left and right inputs.

Using the width knob set to 0% sounds like summing the outputs of a stereo reverb, which sometimes sounds okay but usually not as good as a true mono reverb.

Agreed. The dispersion does wonders for the stereo image, but will do weird things when summed to mono. This is something that never came up in the EMT140, as you would have just taken one of the outputs from a stereo plate for a mono plate.

VPlate has richness and depth like the EMT 140, whereas Verbtone sounds more like it was modeled off of a homemade stainless steel plate. There definitely seems to be some magic with a well-tuned EMT 140 that even other plate reverbs can't replicate.

Stainless steel plates have very different decay characteristics than a "cold rolled steel" plate like the EMT140. The stainless plate will have a more even decay/frequency ratio across the frequency range, with shorter decay times for low frequencies, and longer decay times for high frequencies. The Ecoplate I heard sounded far more "digital" than the EMT140, probably due to high frequency transients decaying at a long rate. If you have several seconds of decay at 10 kHz and above, that just turns into a hissy noise. I prefer the shorter maximum decay to be shorter, which makes transients sound more natural.

You can always add some saturation on the front end of VPlate if you want the "overdriven plate" sound which is a feature of Verbtone.

There is some overdrive on the output of ValhallaPlate. Not a lot, but enough to add a little bit of warmth.

That said, I do like the channel routing options he provided so that the stereo response can be customized. Being able to choose from true stereo, mono > stereo, or mono is something I personally would like to see in VPlate (as well as VRoom and VVV). Unfortunately I don't think that will happen.

The true stereo, mono->stereo, and mono->mono options are available in a lot of DAWs. These are supported channel formats in the various plugin standards. Some DAWs (Reaper and Ableton come to mind) are stereo only, so you'll need to use a utility/pan/imaging/whatever to get true mono.

Sean Costello

Otherworldly · Post by **Otherworldly** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:56 pm

Watching the demo video, didn't hear any artifacts (though briefly whilst tweaking during playback, which isn't an issue). Tails are very clean and smooth, and handling of transients are impressive. Definitely a go-to for drums/percussion for example, I notice the EQ/Freq controls can easily fatten the snare without making it sound muddy, great clarity.

The ValhllaPlate is only $50? Awesome.

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:56 pm

SyntheticAurality wrote:I came.. I heard.. I bought!

Its the other way around....

I bought!.. I heard....I came

zentatonic · Post by **zentatonic** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:32 am

Tp3 wrote:
SyntheticAurality wrote:I came.. I heard.. I bought!
Its the other way around....

I bought!.. I heard....I came

This.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:20 am

Tp3 wrote:
SyntheticAurality wrote:I came.. I heard.. I bought!
Its the other way around....

I bought!.. I heard....I came

Agility · Post by **Agility** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:59 am

comfortablynick wrote:
valhallasound wrote:
That said, I do like the channel routing options he provided so that the stereo response can be customized. Being able to choose from true stereo, mono > stereo, or mono is something I personally would like to see in VPlate (as well as VRoom and VVV). Unfortunately I don't think that will happen.

Nick

Yes, that's what I'm particularly interested in and was asking about in my first post(Thanks for answering Sean)

The mode where you can pan the reverb on your return and it will pan the reverb to just the location you pan it too... So you can have ONE instance of a reverb but have it panned in different locations(And I don't mean just the early reflections or one aspect of the reverb.. the whole reverb as if the reverb aux was panned to that location) on different sounds... Was this not possible back in the day?? Even if not it's still a cool feature and I don't know why it's been omitted from the Valhalla verbs?

Cheers.

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:22 pm

Tp3 wrote:
SyntheticAurality wrote:I came.. I heard.. I bought!
Its the other way around....

I bought!.. I heard....I came

ValhallaPlate Updated to Version 1.5.0