Analog and Digital - The Psychic Method - Tutorial Series

[wolverine6]

Jancivil, that's fasciniating - would you mind if I quoted you on that ? I mean could I use that in my tutorial?

Varikus - I'm suggesting I'll make some interesting tutorials about keeping audio content fresh - Various ways of adopting analog mediums and ensuring the way in which audio is recieved at a mental level positive.

I'm suggesting that by various methodology; It's very possible to avoid the various inuendos and cliches commonly found in music. For instance, re-occuring sound (in their complete state) - Avoidance of sound ( even lo-fi sounding) being thin; But moreover - Good sound without many plugins other than chorus and equalizers. Even the avoidance of reverb by utilizing negative and positive sound.

If I was new, I would probably find such ideas exciting.

It should be interesting as I have taken various other methodologies through my singing studies and what sounds good. Especially the aspect of excitement. I have various ideas to propose which some may find useful.

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But to the other guys

The point of my theory never did surround the idea of tape - tape stretching - heat; feed - latency - gain and rate much less slip and tension - But what it does have to do with is "mimicing" these effects.

But there is one thing. If a magnetic tape does not "slip" then whyy was there an echo "during" because by todays definition that's what it is. transience - It's extra data causing a slur, a pre delay during - when there were no digital effects. Was it a computer that caused this effect? and analog plugin maybe ? maybe somehow people wished transience a blurring slurring effect of audio on tape to "appear" during audio being initiated - This is to suggest in anologue that transience was time travel ? would it not be? for there to be an echo of given audio during the beginning of it initiating?

Perhaps that had something to do with electric impedency and the pre-existing data causing a differentiated chorus - However muted.

keeping in mind the avoidance of the suggestion that as an electromagnetic medium, tape: it remained constant in its feed rate and did not expand or contract due to heat or cold.

And tapeheads did not stand on the other side of the room pulling the other side of the tape in the feed to ensure a proper take. Nor did they worry about the machine's eccentricities. But theoretically.

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Lol, but beyond the physical realities of a medium such as tape lol. I hope when you do read my tutorial - You'll like my ideas regarding randomization and the means in which the listener percieves the audio.

Which is the goal - Cause tape is gone - But frankly I will still refer to it, lol. And so will products like tesslamarkII - Which I swear by. Another interesting mode it has is called tube stage - Maybe nice for lo fi effects. Same with the 10k boost like luftikus has.

And what about reverbering by nusoft ? I have not heard much said or written about it. And yet - It's quite breakthrough; It seems to be made with a mathematical oscillation seemingly different than lfo. Quite minimal - And without the excessive feedback even by reducing the mix ratio via daw to say 3% - It's effect is clear - Is it infact made with distortion.

And what about the overpowering algorverb ? It's my findings and suggestions that people might indulge, Not my history lesson.

For a new user coming here - Such ideas are really great.

Comment as you like - it keeps my post hot. More people read it .

But it sure would be nice to use a sampler without the realization that the melodies I create and velocity are not always enough to make them pop. So I will do what research I can.

[jancivil]

Take it from me - Meet with a tapehead. A guy with a magent making blur effects, a man with a lighter making the craziest shrill sound you ever heard.

Something so inprecise it has no guage or bearing on science - and frankly - If somehow such a concept can reproduced digitally - I am all for it.

Mmhmmm. I switched to an electronic music emphasis at school. Rather than get involved with the modular synth, which I don't think I'm clever enough to have got far with, I focused on tape techniques. This type of creativity doesn't have to do with anything else in the thread, tho'. Quite a lot of this type of result is not going to be so feasible with software.

Even with something logical like this:
there are phenomena that belong to tape, distortions and such, that can't be faked. So, I don't know analog has a bad rap. I do a number of things to dirty the thing up.

[jancivil]

You can use whatever I wrote here, I don't care. But a real technical writer has probably stated it better than I.

As to a sampler or sample player not popping like some things (and this actually calls to mind the real meaning of 'transient'), the best you can do to replace that is produce a soft clip by overdriving stages, using a plugin that does 'soft clipping'. I don't use a limiter on the master bus anymore, prefer to retain transients. The thing I push super hard is Amplitube Jimi Hendrix which behaves fairly proper old school.

[whyterabbyt]

The point of my theory never did surround the idea of tape - tape stretching - heat; feed - latency - gain and rate much less slip and tension - But what it does have to do with is "mimicing" these effects.

That's funny, because you started off by naming and defining them, supposedly based on some historical basis imparted to you.

But there is one thing. If a magnetic tape does not "slip" then whyy was there an echo "during"

Except there wasnt one. At the time of recording, there could be a tiny delay between the original signal being recorded and the recorded version as played back again off the monitor head, but that delay did not exist on the tape and it would only be audible if you listened to both the input and the monitor output simultaneously.
And slipping wouldnt cause a delay; it'd cause speed fluctuations.

because by todays definition that's what it is.

Wrong.

transience - It's extra data causing a slur, a pre delay during

No, its not. There's no 'extra data' anywhere.

- when there were no digital effects. Was it a computer that caused this effect? and analog plugin maybe ?

Now you're just being an idiot

[wolverine6]

lol, whyte - everyone's entitled to his opinion. Call me a donkey and I'll make donkey noises lol.

But seeing old guys and talking to them, well - It's all good. Everyone has an opinion.

And Jancivil - I'll have to try the Jimi Hendrix Amplitube - Thanks.

[do_androids_dream]

The fact you guys are seriously discussing anything here means the op got you hook, line and sinker.

[whyterabbyt]

The fact you guys are seriously discussing anything here means the op got you hook, line and sinker.

Only on one level here, in that despite the obvious troll, I still think its important to not leave nonsense like this unchallenged. Leaving patently misleading 'information' uncontested is a bad precedent; I'd rather not leave it such that people who know nothing of the subject take this gibberish at face value.

[do_androids_dream]

The fact you guys are seriously discussing anything here means the op got you hook, line and sinker.

Only on one level here, in that despite the obvious troll, I still think its important to not leave nonsense like this unchallenged. Leaving patently misleading 'information' uncontested is a bad precedent; I'd rather not leave it such that people who know nothing of the subject take this gibberish at face value.

A noble thing to do for sure but, man, just check the website link in the op's sig.. some hilarious trolling (actually no - not trolling - just someone with a sense of humor) going on here fo' sho'

[whyterabbyt]

lol, whyte - everyone's entitled to his opinion.

Yes, they are. On the other hand, when someone passes off uncorroborated hearsay of something they have no direct experience and calls them facts, then people with actual first-hand experience will often correct those facts.
The way a tape recorder operates is not an 'opinion.' Its a verifiable fact. The things that affect the process of recording are not 'opinions', they're verifiable facts. Even the common meaning of terms used that were applied to tape recording is not opinion, they're verifiable too.

This is real information on how tape recorders work; it refutes almost everything you've said about that, as do plenty of other real-world sources.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_ar ... logue.html

There are dozens of others easily obtainable via a simple google search, but Im pretty sure you wont look. Anybody else genuinely interested should consider it, though.

[whyterabbyt]

The fact you guys are seriously discussing anything here means the op got you hook, line and sinker.

Only on one level here, in that despite the obvious troll, I still think its important to not leave nonsense like this unchallenged. Leaving patently misleading 'information' uncontested is a bad precedent; I'd rather not leave it such that people who know nothing of the subject take this gibberish at face value.

A noble thing to do for sure but, man, just check the website link in the op's sig.. some hilarious trolling (actually no - not trolling - just someone with a sense of humor) going on here fo' sho'

One can only hope its that because the alternative is worrisome...

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

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[wolverine6]

You shall see, I shall help - one formerly known as elbow. Such a tutorial series have I in mind... Lord.. To discern this from conception is awe - inspiring.

[Frantz]

This thread is 125% Jedinhoppier than any Jedinhopy thread!

I, for one, welcome our new psychic overlord.

[wolverine6]

Thankyou frantz - And like the many heads of a vcr - or a tape reader situated in spaced intervals - Able to read ahead of one another - Hence 4 track being uber and leading to oversampling -

My many heads - they are looking into the future; And in that future we shall be friends.

[jancivil]

The fact you guys are seriously discussing anything here means the op got you hook, line and sinker.

Only on one level here, in that despite the obvious troll, I still think its important to not leave nonsense like this unchallenged. Leaving patently misleading 'information' uncontested is a bad precedent; I'd rather not leave it such that people who know nothing of the subject take this gibberish at face value.

A noble thing to do for sure but, man, just check the website link in the op's sig.. some hilarious trolling (actually no - not trolling - just someone with a sense of humor) going on here fo' sho'

One can only hope its that because the alternative is worrisome...

"No reason to get excited"
The thief he kindly spoke
There are many here among us
who feel that life is but a joke

But you and I, we've been through that
and it is not our fate
So let us stop talking falsely now
The hour is getting late