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[EvilDragon]

Use the Tree view. You can see all the Macro assignments there, so you don't have to dig in the patch to focus on a particular macro assignment.

[arachnaut]

Use the Tree view. You can see all the Macro assignments there, so you don't have to dig in the patch to focus on a particular macro assignment.

That doesn't work reliably. Here I change the top level, and it works on some samples and not on others:
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[Sampleconstruct]

One is the lack of changing parameters on all the keygroups at once. I have 66 keygroups, all identical except for the sample and velocity range. Why can't I edit their properties all at once? I am about to resort to manually editting the preset in a text editor.

I answered your same question a few pages back, did you miss it?

Also try using the List View, there you can select each Layer/Keygroup you want to edit much more precisely.
If the modulation setup is not absolutely identical for each keygroup you want to batch edit, you will run into problems. So if e.g. one keygroup has an LFO assigned to something and the other doesn't, then you try batch edit and add another LFO, in one group it will be LFO 1 and LFO2 in the other, that can't work. Also if you have assigned a Macro to something in one group and not in the other and then start batch-editing, chaos will be your friend. So with complex patches in Falcon you really have to plan stuff beforehand, otherwise you will waste a lot of time by manually assigning the same stuff over and over again, I've been there and done that too many times in MachFive already.

[Sampleconstruct]

I have 66 samples in 3 velocity layers. I'd like to map the playback starting position to, say, the mod wheel.
So I used the IRCAM Scrub oscillator to get access to the position.
But I don't see any way to do this for all samples at once.
What am I missing? Surely I don't need to map every sample one-by-one?

You can't batch edit things on oscillator level. So if you do patches like that, assign all modulations first, then duplicate the keygroup and exchange the sample - double click on keygroup, browser opens, locate new sample double click again.

[arachnaut]

One is the lack of changing parameters on all the keygroups at once. I have 66 keygroups, all identical except for the sample and velocity range. Why can't I edit their properties all at once? I am about to resort to manually editting the preset in a text editor.

I answered your same question a few pages back, did you miss it?

Also try using the List View, there you can select each Layer/Keygroup you want to edit much more precisely.
If the modulation setup is not absolutely identical for each keygroup you want to batch edit, you will run into problems. So if e.g. one keygroup has an LFO assigned to something and the other doesn't, then you try batch edit and add another LFO, in one group it will be LFO 1 and LFO2 in the other, that can't work. Also if you have assigned a Macro to something in one group and not in the other and then start batch-editing, chaos will be your friend. So with complex patches in Falcon you really have to plan stuff beforehand, otherwise you will waste a lot of time by manually assigning the same stuff over and over again, I've been there and done that too many times in MachFive already.

I did read it several times and tried to implement it.

I must be dense as I don't see how to edit globally using List or Tree views.

For example. Here is a layer which uses the Multigranular sampler and lots of samples. I have each and every sample using identical macro and modulation assignments. Suppose I want to add a macro to modify 'Symmetry'.

I don't see how I can do this globally.

Planning from the start is fine, but it doesn't seem reasonable not to allow simple common global edits.

I hope I am misunderstanding something fundamental here. If everyone has to edit sample-by-sample, fine, I'll shut up, but please tell me I'm a dufus and it is easy.



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[arachnaut]

I have 66 samples in 3 velocity layers. I'd like to map the playback starting position to, say, the mod wheel.
So I used the IRCAM Scrub oscillator to get access to the position.
But I don't see any way to do this for all samples at once.
What am I missing? Surely I don't need to map every sample one-by-one?

You can't batch edit things on oscillator level. So if you do patches like that, assign all modulations first, then duplicate the keygroup and exchange the sample - double click on keygroup, browser opens, locate new sample double click again.

That's what I ended up doing. I had to do it a few times because some of the layer copies crashed. I sent bug reports to UVI along with the presets and step-by-step instructions.

My complaint still stands. This is very tedious and error prone. I had 66 samples and 3 layers. I can't imagine anyone doing this for thousands of samples.

For me, it seems easier to edit the XML in the patch preset.

[Sampleconstruct]

Symmetry is happening on osc level and you can not batch edit things on osc level, so that is the easy answer. I also described what you should do before you setup a patch like that ->assign all Macro assignments to one keygroup first and then copy that keygroup x-times and substitute the sample, let me find that answer for you too.

Somehow this thread is getting out of hand, the same questions are asked all over again and nobody seems to use the “Search this thread“-function at the top right at all. Maybe it's time for a dedicated FAQ thread, I might set one up in the patchpool forum, but parroting ourselves over and over again is getting tiring.

[Sampleconstruct]

I have 66 samples in 3 velocity layers. I'd like to map the playback starting position to, say, the mod wheel.
So I used the IRCAM Scrub oscillator to get access to the position.
But I don't see any way to do this for all samples at once.
What am I missing? Surely I don't need to map every sample one-by-one?

You can't batch edit things on oscillator level. So if you do patches like that, assign all modulations first, then duplicate the keygroup and exchange the sample - double click on keygroup, browser opens, locate new sample double click again.

That's what I ended up doing. I had to do it a few times because some of the layer copies crashed. I sent bug reports to UVI along with the presets and step-by-step instructions.

My complaint still stands. This is very tedious and error prone. I had 66 samples and 3 layers. I can't imagine anyone doing this for thousands of samples.

For me, it seems easier to edit the XML in the patch preset.

I have been asking for a batch edit on osc level for years, during all alpha and beta-phases for MachFive and Falcon, but it seems impossible without a total re-write of the code, so that's that.

[Sampleconstruct]

I will start collecting Falcon FAQs in this thread from now on, suggestions are most welcome:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 0&t=451038

[arachnaut]

Symmetry is happening on osc level and you can not batch edit things on osc level, so that is the easy answer. I also described what you should do before you setup a patch like that ->assign all Macro assignments to one keygroup first and then copy that keygroup x-times and substitute the sample, let me find that answer for you too.

Somehow this thread is getting out of hand, the same questions are asked all over again and nobody seems to use the “Search this thread“-function at the top right at all. Maybe it's time for a dedicated FAQ thread, I might set one up in the patchpool forum, but parroting ourselves over and over again is getting tiring.

I do apologize. I have followed the thread mostly for some time.

But it is hard to use the proper terms for something when you are just starting out, so knowing what to search for is not always practical.

[Sampleconstruct]

Symmetry is happening on osc level and you can not batch edit things on osc level, so that is the easy answer. I also described what you should do before you setup a patch like that ->assign all Macro assignments to one keygroup first and then copy that keygroup x-times and substitute the sample, let me find that answer for you too.

Somehow this thread is getting out of hand, the same questions are asked all over again and nobody seems to use the “Search this thread“-function at the top right at all. Maybe it's time for a dedicated FAQ thread, I might set one up in the patchpool forum, but parroting ourselves over and over again is getting tiring.

I do apologize. I have followed the thread mostly for some time.

But it is hard to use the proper terms for something when you are just starting out, so knowing what to search for is not always practical.

Sorry Jim, this was not at all directed at you personally, it was a general, probably obsolete comment, ket's see how the FAQ thread goes.

[arachnaut]

I have been asking for a batch edit on osc level for years, during all alpha and beta-phases for MachFive and Falcon, but it seems impossible without a total re-write of the code, so that's that.

OK, I can accept that something that seems rather easy and useful will not get done.

One can always resort to manual edits of the XML preset.

For example, say you have 1000 samples.
Just make one edit on one sample and the copy and paste 999 with a good editor. That could be done with a good search and replace tool and will take just a few seconds.

UltraEdit for the PC is a good programmable XML editor that can do this. I've used it for over a decade on text-based stuff (like SFZ formats) and sometimes on binary data in HEX mode.

It is very easy for me to just copy and paste

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<SignalConnection Name="SignalConnection 0" Ratio="1" Source="$Program/Macro 1" Destination="SampleStart" Mapper="" ConnectionMode="1" Bypass="0" Inverted="0"/>

throughout the Keygroups.

If I knew I was going to do a lot of this, I'd start making lots of macros to do this in the editor.

There is a risk that I'd corrupt things so much I could not recover.

But, since this is so 'easy' to do manually, it's hard to figure out why it can't be done graphically.

[arachnaut]

I don't want to just complain without giving something back, so here is something I've been working on for a week or so.

I made it mainly as a test to see how the various sample modes work, so there are a lot of macro controls on the sampler parts.

It is very unfinished and unpolished, but still very usable and tweakable.

I made it with version 1.0.1.

The samples originally came from CSound, using a Karplus-Strong algorithm I used a long time ago.

Feel free to customize this and use it however you like, including the samples. No strings attached.

http://www.arachnaut.net/Falcon/Karplan ... Falcon.zip

It is 68 MB including all the samples.

[ThomasHelzle]

Well, all of this just makes it more obvious how important it is to have a dedicated UVI/Falcon forum.
This thread became some kind of LinearAllInOneLongRowForumBugReportSoundAndScriptReleaseThingy which is silly.

Having FAQs all over KVR somewhere will not help people who are not as proficient with using forums as some long-time-users.
And it's not always easy to find something when you just start out - you may not even know what to search for.

Moaning about how users use it wrongly or how useless it is to ask for a forum will not solve anything either, but just create more noise, create a negative vibe and make people hesitant to post instead of talking freely.

And as much as I like the sounds and examples from Patch Adams and Patchpool (I really do, I bought libraries from both) I also find it weird if this one main thread turns into a kind of advertisement thread - you can't really unsubscribe if you want to stay on top of it and getting reminders all the time for another example for a new library is becoming noise at one point too.

This is absolutely NOT against anybody, but IMO it's time to revise the decision about a dedicated forum on UVIs side.
It is simply wrong to not have one, be it here or on their own site.

BTW. I found the discussion about samples and batch editing quite interesting - good stuff about the XML editing - and thanks arachnaut for the soundpack!

Cheers and sorry of I tread on anybodies toes - it's crowded in here

Tom

[arachnaut]

...and thanks arachnaut for the soundpack!
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You are quite welcome.

I got a private message about someone who could not complete the download.

It downloads fine for me in a few minutes.

There may be some sort of quota on my download server, but I don't think so. I've had lots of gigabyte downloads served with no issues before.