KVR Audio

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:50 pm

Numanoid wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:I don't understand what you mean. Can't you jam with the transport running? That's what I've been doing in Live.
I want to be able to do it without the pattern running in FL Studio.

Any particular reason you want that?

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:53 pm

Because I mostly use my DAW to jam with, I want to be able to just put an envelope on the FX chain alongside reverb or echo (for example), without having the pattern running.

I mean, you don't have to have the DAW on play, when tweaking with the ADSR envelope on a plug, you just need to press a key on the midi keyboard to hear the result.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:56 pm

That doesnt answer my question. I understand that you want that feature, but was wondering why you want it.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:58 pm

As I said earlier, I'm just a pesky customer, asking for features, and probably posting way way too much, a'right

BTW, catch 22 much?

thecontrolcentre wrote:I understand that you want that feature, but was wondering why you want it.

AegisPrime · Post by **AegisPrime** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:23 pm

Numanoid wrote:I mean, you don't have to have the DAW on play, when tweaking with the ADSR envelope on a plug, you just need to press a key on the midi keyboard to hear the result.

Typically that plugin is dealing with internally generated data though no? Kuvert is processing what it's fed from the DAW and varying it over time in a similar way to automation - and that doesn't work without playback either

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:28 pm

AegisPrime wrote:Kuvert is processing what it's fed from the DAW and varying it over time in a similar way to automation - and that doesn't work without playback either

Reverb or Delay plugs also have to deal with the possibility that a user might change parameters in the middle of playing, and they manage that without being on playback.

Maybe something got lost in the translation, but I read this statement on the webpage of the Dev as that the incoming audio doesn't have to be running on auto:

"The envelopes are looped, while the incoming audio isn’t (unless you’re feeding it looped material of course)"

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:31 pm

I know this isn't the first effect I've used that is dependent on the host's transport state for processing, though offhand I can't recall which other ones I'm thinking of.

Is your host unable to loop? Because I don't see why you can't hit "play" on the transport and just jam without having anything sequenced.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:15 pm

Numanoid wrote: BTW, catch 22 much?

No idea what you're on about ... unless you're just trying to avoid answering the question.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:19 pm

I understand that you ask a question, but I wonder why you ask it

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:25 pm

Numanoid wrote:I understand that you ask a question, but I wonder why you ask it

In order to understand your request for Kuvert to work without the transport running. It seemed like you were asking for a feature just for the sake of it. Do you have a reason?

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:31 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:
Numanoid wrote:I understand that you ask a question, but I wonder why you ask it
In order to understand your request for Kuvert to work without the transport running. It seemed like you were asking for a feature just for the sake of it. Do you have a reason?

1) It can affect other stuff I have on the FX chain.
2) I'm not sure if the CPU use is the same when DAW is running, or not
3) I feel I have a better control of what I am trying to do, when I do not have to start and stop the DAW on top of trying to play

Agree with it or not, it seems weird that one should have to go through a third degree interogation just because of a suggestion of a feature expansion

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:37 pm

Numanoid wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
Numanoid wrote:I understand that you ask a question, but I wonder why you ask it
In order to understand your request for Kuvert to work without the transport running. It seemed like you were asking for a feature just for the sake of it. Do you have a reason?
1) It can affect other stuff I have on the FX chain.
2) I'm not sure if the CPU use is the same when DAW is running, or not

Agree with it or not, it seems weird that one should have to go through a third degree interogation just because of a suggest of a feature expansion

No third degree. Was just curious why you requested a feature that is not needed and then tried to avoid explaining why ...

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:40 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:why you requested a feature that is not needed

Maybe you don't need it, do you then speak for everybody?

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:46 pm

Numanoid wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:why you requested a feature that is not needed
Maybe you don't need it, do you then speak for everybody?

ras.s · Post by **ras.s** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:27 pm

Numanoid, how do you think it should work then? It would need to be significantly changed how it works, I assume. I mean, without the sequencer telling that the time is rolling, how would the plugin know how long is X bars -- and especially, how would it know when to start the looped envelopes? Audio or MIDI triggers? It would change the concept if the start could be triggered any time. Might be a useful feature though, but works just fine as it is. If it was continuously rolling even without the host sequencer playing, it wouldn't sync with other plugin sequencers that you might be using (arps, drum boxes).

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