KVR Audio

wolverine6 · Post by **wolverine6** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:29 pm

Variety of sound's SlickHDR in combination with TesslaProMKII to add transience (at about 10%?). But the SlickHDR has some crystal clear "drive" emulation. i highly reccomend it.

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:32 pm

4damind wrote:
In some blind tests on Gearslutz most people prefer VTM and finding it sounds more 3D. Satin sounds for some users flat and some others thinking it was the original.

Satin sounds flat? Hm thats interesting, i've always found it do exactly what a studio tape machine should do.

I mean it's subtle, it's supposed to be emulating a "studio" tape recording machine like a studer multi-track system.

As for slate well..

Nothing against slate personally, but i find his business a bit too aggressive. It kind of gives off warning signs, and so i just avoid.

Kind regards

Robmobius · Post by **Robmobius** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:49 pm

I like both Satin and VTM.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:56 pm

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4damind · Post by **4damind** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:02 pm

V0RT3X wrote:
4damind wrote:
In some blind tests on Gearslutz most people prefer VTM and finding it sounds more 3D. Satin sounds for some users flat and some others thinking it was the original.
Satin sounds flat? Hm thats interesting, i've always found it do exactly what a studio tape machine should do.

I mean it's subtle, it's supposed to be emulating a "studio" tape recording machine like a studer multi-track system.

As for slate well..

Nothing against slate personally, but i find his business a bit too aggressive. It kind of gives off warning signs, and so i just avoid.

Kind regards

Yes, it's the opinion by a lot of users that Satin sounds flat compared to other tape plugins. But in my opinion the idea behind Satin was never to design the best sounding and most accurate tape emulation.

Steven Slate knows how to play the game to be very successful in this business. Yes, he is sometimes an aggressive salesman but he has also excellent products so many people will say "wow, this crazy guy.. but I must have this stuff"

People are interested to improve their sound, Slate has the tools and so it's a win-win situation. Btw... besides his acting as an aggressive and handsome salesman he has also a very funny side if celebrating his love for bacon (and v-necks) on Facebook

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:12 pm

4damind wrote:Yes, it's the opinion by a lot of users that Satin sounds flat compared to other tape plugins. But in my opinion the idea behind Satin was never to design the best sounding and most accurate tape emulation.

Wrong on both accounts. Satin is not "flat" at all.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:41 pm

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Heartfeltdawn · Post by **Heartfeltdawn** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:27 pm

4damind wrote: In some blind tests on Gearslutz most people prefer VTM and finding it sounds more 3D. Satin sounds for some users flat and some others thinking it was the original.

What does a less three-dimensional sound actually sound like?

wolverine6 · Post by **wolverine6** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:09 pm

Hmm, well it sounds to me like I should spend some money - These are great effects for rap.

transmetropolitan · Post by **transmetropolitan** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:07 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
4damind wrote:Yes, it's the opinion by a lot of users that Satin sounds flat compared to other tape plugins. But in my opinion the idea behind Satin was never to design the best sounding and most accurate tape emulation.
Wrong on both accounts. Satin is not "flat" at all.

Agree with ED.

I think u-he went to obsessive lengths to make the best sounding, most accurate emulation. To suggest otherwise is a little bizarre to me.

Who makes a plugin and goes "I will make a conscious choice to not design the best sounding plugin"?? It's just illogical.

There are some other good products on the market but nothing I'd swap Satin for personally.

sascha · Post by **sascha** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:55 am

4damind wrote:But in my opinion the idea behind Satin was never to design the best sounding and most accurate tape emulation.

You may voice your opinion, but I find the above inappropriate (to say the least), since you know next to nothing about the inside - neither the product nor anybody in person involved.

TheoM wrote: this again.. why does it matter.. with uad, waves, slate, toneboosters, all the others actually, you can use in parallel with pdc.. SO, real tape doesn't do that, we know.. Big deal? What is the big deal to use the advances we have with plugin technology to not have the same limitations of the hardware?

why NOT make a version of saturn that has latency like the others and can phase lock in parallel? What's it going to hurt to have the option?

Satin, not Saturn... the latter is another company

Well, the latency observed with some other products are - as far as I can reverse engineer from here and know or suspect about other developers and their prefered methods - based on FFT and impulse-response based modeling, maybe just partly. Whenever a process uses convolution, there's latency involved.
Mind you, I'm just assuming, and I would appreciate other devs to clarify, if possible.
UAD is another case, as their architecture is different from how native processing works, as there are a couple of technical layers in between to ensure a constant data flow.

As Urs pointed out, tape implies phase smear, and it can't be corrected by any static inverse process. No free lunch. If there's one, it's not tape. Period. You can insist further, but repeating a wrong thing doesn't make it more true.

TheoM wrote: No you are not a victim, cause i am just stating facts. I never said anything untrue nor did i ever claim sati was unrealistic. In fact, if you bother to search my posts on satin, besides that one thing, i only say good stuff about it and how good the saturation itself sounds. Check it out. I have said it multiple times.

Oh, please don't feel offended. We really appreciate every serious discussion on this matter. Whenever we start a new project, we learn ourselves, it's research as it should be. We love passing over gathered knowledge to customers and let them know how stuff works, we love this transparency, it reflects the way we function and like to work. Ok, we sometimes get emotional ourselves, but - frankly - I'm glad we are.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:17 am

TheoM wrote:why does it matter..

In another thread and on another topic someone once bluntly posted "Diva is not optimized". The person who posted this had drunk the kool aid by one of our competitors (something like "our product is highly optimized, unlike the competition"). So someone might have made a bad choice based on the misinformation spread by someone else. Standing up against such misinformation matters.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:27 am

4damind wrote:Yes, it's the opinion by a lot of users

Could you also give us a rough estimate one the percentage of users who find Satin flat sounding? That would be very helpful for us and you seem to have this knowledge.

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:03 am

Urs wrote:
4damind wrote:Yes, it's the opinion by a lot of users
Could you also give us a rough estimate one the percentage of users who find Satin flat sounding? That would be very helpful for us and you seem to have this knowledge.

It's the blind test you find on Gearslutz for tape emulations. If you are really interested why so many people came to this conclusion you should listen to the test files and form your own opinion.
People prefer VTM, Reelbus in this order. Why? You must ask the listeners

sascha · Post by **sascha** » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:06 am

Link please?

Best tape emulator?