genres, ugh. hi-hats, yuck.

[incubus]

There's plenty of techno tracks that don't make use of a hihat but you're going to have to go on a trawling mission to find them. It's not like there's a sub-genre that doesn't use hihats I guess you're more talking about the ever present syncopated hat?

Here's a favourite of mine, off the top of my head, that's not hihat heavy.

Ok, so it sounds like everything else but with no hi hats.....excuse me, samples that "emulate" hi hats.

[incubus]

Maybe I should listen to Men Without Hats

a) boooooo!

b) Or, make your own Wouldn't be very hard to come up with some snazzy stuff.

[foosnark]

b) Or, make your own Wouldn't be very hard to come up with some snazzy stuff.

Yeah, I am thinking about that. I just set myself up with a new band name and don't know what I'm going to do with it My previous stuff has been sometimes ambient, sometimes heavily rhythmic (and that sometimes odd time signatures and jerky rhythms, and sometimes more straight ahead 4/4 stuff) and sometimes I try to do all of it at the same time.

[do_androids_dream]

There's plenty of techno tracks that don't make use of a hihat but you're going to have to go on a trawling mission to find them. It's not like there's a sub-genre that doesn't use hihats I guess you're more talking about the ever present syncopated hat?

Here's a favourite of mine, off the top of my head, that's not hihat heavy.

Ok, so it sounds like everything else but with no hi hats.....excuse me, samples that "emulate" hi hats.

Confused!

[do_androids_dream]

The thing with hihats - in any genre - is that it's one of the major ways to generate pace and excitement in a rhythm - a role that's normally fulfilled by a high frequency component. Kind of unavoidable in some ways.. There are artists who use percussion in more creative ways in 4 to the floor. The best example I can think of is Ricardo Villalobos - maybe check him out (although be careful not to dismiss him too quick - his music does vary quite a bit and takes a while to get into and 'get' - like all good music ).

[do_androids_dream]

b) Or, make your own Wouldn't be very hard to come up with some snazzy stuff.

I know. It's all jus' pressin' buttons innit!

[incubus]

b) Or, make your own Wouldn't be very hard to come up with some snazzy stuff.

I know. It's all jus' pressin' buttons innit!

But here's a fact, not trying to be a snob or whatever. I can emulate that stuff pretty easily, and there is nothing wrong with that. Not a shitload of variation.

Not being critical of the genre. I like it just fine. I like making it. But it's not Beethoven. We should all post our stuff and laugh at (I mean encourage) each other

[camsr]

Variation in cymbals is extremely welcome. It's a simple problem with a simple answer, use different samples, although it can be difficult to find combinations that work well.

[do_androids_dream]

b) Or, make your own Wouldn't be very hard to come up with some snazzy stuff.

I know. It's all jus' pressin' buttons innit!

But here's a fact, not trying to be a snob or whatever. I can emulate that stuff pretty easily, and there is nothing wrong with that. Not a shitload of variation.

Not being critical of the genre. I like it just fine. I like making it. But it's not Beethoven. We should all post our stuff and laugh at (I mean encourage) each other

Yeah I was just poking a bit of fun there. It's something I used to hear people say when any kind of electronic music was within earshot (like my grandparents when I was little lol). It isn't Beethoven but it's much harder than you think to make very minimally composed/arranged music. The best can make very sparse components sound very interesting. I put Mike Parker in that category - able to make little techno worlds out of just a few things.

[xoxos]

The thing with hihats - in any genre - is that it's one of the major ways to generate pace and excitement in a rhythm - a role that's normally fulfilled by a high frequency component. Kind of unavoidable in some ways..

i remember old what's his face writing the computer music articles diatribe vs. hats on 16ths.. why invalidate a simple form.. old people have different ears/brain than young people, maybe it just takes 30 years to get tired of hihats.. but young people, i reckon, still appreciate those overt attention steerers.

i confronted this notion making my recent album(s), which is stripped "gangsta rap", most of the sounds are novel sounds produced by tearing wavs apart in adze, so there are plenty of "sounds with high frequencies" that aren't closed hats. most of the songs in the first volume still have a tap on second 8ths throughout.. but mixed down, because it's loud music.

..so for this old guy trying to make something relatively entertaining for hisself, hats are pretty much out. but the kicks will still tear the shit out of your ears.
https://xoxos.bandcamp.com/album/dope-beats-for-suckers

[jancivil]

I really dig the hihat. This shit with no dynamics you can keep, I know exactly where the objection is coming from.