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PatchesOnHand · Post by **PatchesOnHand** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:23 pm

I made the mistake of assuming PatchWork would host VST3 plugins as well as VST2. There is no info on the product description, on the store page, or in the manual stating that it is VST2 only. Steinberg discontinued VST2 SDK in 2013.

Is Blue Cat looking in to a VST3 host version?

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:36 pm

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Blue Cat Audio · Post by **Blue Cat Audio** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:53 pm

Blue Cat's PatchWork indeed does not support the VST3 standard as a host or plug-in at the moment. We will probably add it in the future, but so far almost all plug-ins and hosts do support VST2.4 whereas VST3 is still not widely supported, for multiple reasons.

TheoM: side chain is possible with VST2 plug-ins anyway (it just requires a quad bus for stereo side chain).

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:59 pm

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Blue Cat Audio · Post by **Blue Cat Audio** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:21 pm

That's a long debate and I don't want to go into it here, as it has been widely discussed in the past. Just to clarify: we are indeed often the first to support new formats (64-bit, AAX...). But VST3 is quite different. It has been so far more interesting for most our customers to get new features instead of this new format, hence our choice. This is Steinberg's decision not to provide proper side chain support for VST2 in their software, not an issue with the technology: many other hosts do provide nice ways to perform side chain with VST2 (and so do we inside PatchWork of MB-7 Mixer).

We will eventually provide VST3 support like some others, but it will only bring simpler side chain for Cubase instead of the quad bus method, and yet that's a pretty big development effort - so no other new features for a while. And since most our updates are free for existing customers, you can do the math...

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:40 pm

TheoM wrote:Not to mention steinberg have officially killed off the vst2 sdk some time back.

You can actually compile VST2 plugins with VST3 sdk, as I got info from Steinberg 1-2 years ago downloading it. I did not dive in so deep, but had a support topic asking about that.

But will ask again now that I think of doing my own midi plugins compatible with Cubase that shows up as inserts for midi.

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:09 pm

In my case, I always install the VST3 plugin versions when available. They don't use processing power when bypassed, which is also useful, besides just sidechaining being reasonably implemented. I'm just kicking myself for finding yet another thing that I didn't dream I'd need to ask about before plunking down my money for something that is basically useless for me. I make $9.50 an hour. I have a bad taste in my mouth that will be hard to wash out now, and the memory of an elephant. Take your time getting into the 21st century. Maybe make it darn clear that your philophy doesn't include VST3 in your product descriptions, rather than put the onus on the the foolish customer. You are in the trenches and know these things intimately. We fools just want to make music, and support you repeatedly as a consequence. Where is your bread buttered?

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:51 pm

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Blue Cat Audio · Post by **Blue Cat Audio** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:05 pm

I am also curious how true this supposed 2 hour tool to convert any vst2 to vst3 is.

dwozzle · Post by **dwozzle** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:37 pm

Blue Cat Audio wrote:
I am also curious how true this supposed 2 hour tool to convert any vst2 to vst3 is.

That really can't be, or every single product by every single dev would be vst3. Maybe it makes a vst3 that doesn't do anything the vst2 version doesn't, at best.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:44 pm

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PatchesOnHand · Post by **PatchesOnHand** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:36 am

Thanks Blue Cat for the semi-technical response

lfm wrote:You can actually compile VST2 plugins with VST3 sdk, as I got info from Steinberg 1-2 years ago downloading it. I did not dive in so deep, but had a support topic asking about that.

I found the VST2 stuff after posting here. In the Steinberg VST3 SDK download, it's under plugininterfaces/vst2.x/ (and public.sdk/vst2.x/).

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:26 am

TheoM wrote:
rustman wrote:In my case, I always install the VST3 plugin versions when available. They don't use processing power when bypassed, which is also useful, besides just sidechaining being reasonably implemented. I'm just kicking myself for finding yet another thing that I didn't dream I'd need to ask about before plunking down my money for something that is basically useless for me. I make $9.50 an hour. I have a bad taste in my mouth that will be hard to wash out now, and the memory of an elephant. Take your time getting into the 21st century. Maybe make it darn clear that your philophy doesn't include VST3 in your product descriptions, rather than put the onus on the the foolish customer. You are in the trenches and know these things intimately. We fools just want to make music, and support you repeatedly as a consequence. Where is your bread buttered?
look i want vst3 too but your post is a little rough... and also it is up to the user to demo and know formats before purchase, you can't really blame the dev for that.

You're probably right. You are definitely right about the buyer demoing first. Laughably, I did demo it a while back, but did not spend time putting it through it's paces. It just didn't occur to me that VST3 wouldn't be supported, and it should have. Given the functionality they've put into this, I guess the difference between 2 and 3 is very relevent. I'll live without it for now, and there is hope for the future, as was posted. Geez, I hate being "That guy".

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