KVR Audio

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:28 am

OutCider wrote:Don't know if it's for real, but a mate told me it's just been defeated.

That what friends are for..

billcarroll · Post by **billcarroll** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:33 am

robotmonkey wrote:
billcarroll wrote:
V0RT3X wrote:Maybe we'll start seeing developers who use Ilok abandon it in favour of serial or their own C/R. This would be nice..
Yeah, wouldn't it be just great to see DSP developers sideline development on their products for 6 months while trying to create copy protection schemes that will just be cracked too. Or maybe not.
Actually I hope that developers finally start to come to their senses about draconian copy protection that costs a lot of money to both developers and users. They should follow the example of Waves and drop Pace.

I suppose we can agree to disagree. I like seeing developers get paid for their work.

OutCider · Post by **OutCider** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:37 am

murnau wrote:That what friends are for..

lol Though I didn't say friend I said mate, and it looks like he was on the money with his info after all, but then people at gearslutz usually are a bit quicker on the uptake.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:39 am

billcarroll wrote:
robotmonkey wrote:
billcarroll wrote:
V0RT3X wrote:Maybe we'll start seeing developers who use Ilok abandon it in favour of serial or their own C/R. This would be nice..
Yeah, wouldn't it be just great to see DSP developers sideline development on their products for 6 months while trying to create copy protection schemes that will just be cracked too. Or maybe not.
Actually I hope that developers finally start to come to their senses about draconian copy protection that costs a lot of money to both developers and users. They should follow the example of Waves and drop Pace.
I suppose we can agree to disagree. I like seeing developers get paid for their work.

I don't think that robotmonkey meant no copy protection at all but just not expensive 3rd party dongle solutions. Waves have a copy protection still just no Pace anymore. Indeed i'm more pi**ed off of the idea that if ILOK2 is busted there will come ILOK3 maybe more draconian protection or whatever..

hivkorn · Post by **hivkorn** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:07 am

This is a never ending story Ilok 3 will be pirated too.pirate take less time to pirate ilok 2 than ilok 1 . I think the better way for the dev to keep control of their plugin would be monthly / weekly activation , this way they could just desactivate the pirated serial...

softska · Post by **softska** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:26 am

hivkorn wrote:This is a never ending story Ilok 3 will be pirated too.pirate take less time to pirate ilok 2 than ilok 1 . I think the better way for the dev to keep control of their plugin would be monthly / weekly activation , this way they could just desactivate the pirated serial...

Or they could just stop releasing any software altogether. Everyone wants to protect their investment bla bla I get it. Necessary evil or whatever, but am I here paying to use the copy protection or the plugin?

(I have so much gripe about the ZDT/TLC 90 day refresh of the damn thing, last thing I need is even more license management fun)

PHassan · Post by **PHassan** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:24 am

Guys, seriously. Why is this thread so dramatic ?
I really can't understand how developers will suddenly loose all the money, etc.

Music is just my hobby, I do it in my free time...
All my stuff is legitimate, I don't do warez because of few reasons:

- I don't want to screw devs
- I don't want to risk my PC getting viruses
- I don't need 1000 plugins I will never use.

I have Reason 4, I'm using it for Thor, I could easily just
download it as it has a most lame copy protection ever.
But I don't, I could find it for super cheap.

Now, the people who actually do it for work and make money out of it.
Do you really think they will instantly install all that cracked software,
risk their studio PCs etc. ?

That's just silly !!!

I hope that devs will ditch dongles as I think it's just a money wasted.

People who are not willing to buy anything, won't do it because of dongles.
They will just find other pirated software.

All I'm really trying to say is that now the plug-ins are so cheap, no one needs to steal them !
But if you do, no copy protection will change it.

Sorry if it's a little bit chaotic, but I hope you get the picture.

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:34 am

I don't like this one bit, very black christmas for developers

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:42 am

PHassan wrote:People who are not willing to buy anything, won't do it because of dongles.
They will just find other pirated software.

All I'm really trying to say is that now the plug-ins are so cheap, no one needs to steal them !
But if you do, no copy protection will change it.

Sorry if it's a little bit chaotic, but I hope you get the picture.

I don't agree. If they wanted to use the software but it wasn't available illegally, they would be much more likely to buy a legitimate copy. Furthermore, I don't care who is buying the licenses- hobbiests, professionals, whatever. They all contribute to the bottom line for developers. The fact of the matter is, the availability of illegal software does actually impact sales for developers.

bronxsound · Post by **bronxsound** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:45 am

i must say i did not like iLok's move with v2 dongle. essentially they made end users to pay (i don't think they did that to their clients) for their failure with iLok1. and here we are again. i am wondering if they will manage to convince their clients to continue using their services.

by the way i have both elic and ilok and i recognize them as a fairly convenient solution for my needs. way better than c/r.

Skorpius · Post by **Skorpius** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:51 am

robotmonkey wrote: They should follow the example of Waves and drop Pace.

I absolutely disagree! The iLok system is so much more trouble-free than the Waves system. Haven't you heard of all the trouble most people are now having with the supposedly "user-friendly" Waves Central?

While the direct successor to Waves using iLok - the License Manager - was at least halfway stable, the Waves Central system is a disaster, as is confirmed by hundreds of users.

To me, using iLok 2 means piece of mind and no fiddling about with C/R or other online protection systems.

Obsolete236871 · Post by **Obsolete236871** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:02 am

I feel a bit sorry for the developers who put their faith into Ilok2, even though I think that serious computer musicians / audio engineers will continue to use legit software instead of cracked / hacked stuff. Cracked software comes with a price: all kinds of stability issues that can make your system practically unusable. Why would someone who wants to make music want an instable workstation?

Still, I think that this situation (realizing that there is no 100% safe copy protection) might help some developers to think about their copy protection + pricing scheme. I guess developers like Klanghelm, Toneboosters and Tokyo Dawn are the role models to follow here.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:11 am

iLok will just throw up version 3, only to get cracked again.

Just like any currency is counterfeited

And electronic devices/parts are faked...

It is just the way it is.

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:16 am

Skorpius wrote:
robotmonkey wrote: They should follow the example of Waves and drop Pace.
I absolutely disagree! The iLok system is so much more trouble-free than the Waves system. Haven't you heard of all the trouble most people are now having with the supposedly "user-friendly" Waves Central?

While the direct successor to Waves using iLok - the License Manager - was at least halfway stable, the Waves Central system is a disaster, as is confirmed by hundreds of users.

To me, using iLok 2 means piece of mind and no fiddling about with C/R or other online protection systems.

Nope, even though iLok manager and WLC are quite similar Waves has done much better job with it. WLC is way more customer friendly in every regard including not having to depend on some faceless external party if something goes wrong with your licensing, allowing using generic usb authorization etc. Majority of the problems with WLC seem to be down to computer computer illiteracy.

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:24 am

murnau wrote: I don't think that robotmonkey meant no copy protection at all but just not expensive 3rd party dongle solutions. Waves have a copy protection still just no Pace anymore. Indeed i'm more pi**ed off of the idea that if ILOK2 is busted there will come ILOK3 maybe more draconian protection or whatever..

There are certainly developers who have very simple and customer friendly protection schemes. Developers getting paid is not about annoying your legitimate customers with anal copy protection schemes but selling plugins. Waves clearly figured it out. Being the second largest client of PACE after Avid, they must have paid huge sums for all their plugins, and as that was not bad enough, all the Waves iLok protected plugins were still cracked. Now with their own protection their plugins are still all cracked but they clearly changed their business model to fit the burgeoning small studio/hobbyist market and probably figured out that it is better to have a large user base that buys a lot of cheaper plugins than to sell some well protected and expensive plugins to very few.

Ilok busted?