Ilok busted?

[2ZrgE]

... We have a concept of dealing with piracy once it happens. People who use iLok don't.

101% false. You seem to assume that companies using Ilok can't cumulate anti-piracy methods, in addition to Ilok. And should rely exclusively on Ilok. This is not exact : I know at least one company that does exactly that. And another one implementing it. Cumulating such systems might be the better solution. At the very least, it's a method that could be considered.

There are many methods to fight p.racy. Some are hybrids. World is not black n white.

What is interesting about that is how far can you go without making it too costly when it comes to development time, system resources and annoyance to the users. Some of the music software has supposedly over 50% of it's code devoted to CP. That is an huge waste of system resources. I'm glad that Urs can do his CP with only couple of lines but the above mentioned Cubase is a good example how CP could severely affect performance and stability. And it's not the only one as there are know to be other plugins out there of which have half of its size taken up by CP code. Consider a ~60mb plugin which has ~30mb of CP code. That is a huge waste of computing resources for paying users if one loads many instances of such plugins.

Whatever, those soft does sell, Cubase is even industry standard, so why should anyone at Steinberg want to change things?

Buy, or don't buy, very easy alternatives.

[chk071]

Buy, or don't buy, very easy alternatives.

Unfortunately, this simple, yet so true suggestion would prevent many discussions here and elsewhere. Unfortunately because people never decide to comply with it, but rather discuss pages long about taste, or because of ideologies, instead of just voting with their wallet. I posted similar stuff a thousand times, it never helped. Hopeless.

Btw, where does that 50% of code, and program file size dedicated to CP come from? Can't imagine that being true for any software really.

[Urs]

they didn't fully remove the copy protection. It takes a bit longer to set off and it doesn't let us track busts, but we've seen promising posts on forums.

Well, if the cracks were so great, one would think that we'd have significantly fewer tracking results, no? But here are the results (unique visitors per day) of just *one* check and it didn't exactly collapse much after the cracks came out in October: http://www.u-he.com/img/analytics_cp1.png - plus of course, the majority of busts currently are a different demo limitation, not displaying a link we can track.

[2ZrgE]

Buy, or don't buy, very easy alternatives.

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Btw, where does that 50% of code, and program file size dedicated to CP come from? Can't imagine that being true for any software really.

Surely a warez user myth to bad-mouth some developers.

For example some poor pennyless but incredible talented 'musicians' wait for a legit Cubase crack since version 5, they just show the typical behavior of disappointed kids (and what do those people want with Cubase anyway?) If you want to have a laugh just go and visit one of their forums, then you really get a glimpse of how those warez user minds work..

[Autobot]

Buy, or don't buy, very easy alternatives.

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Btw, where does that 50% of code, and program file size dedicated to CP come from? Can't imagine that being true for any software really.

Surely a warez user myth to bad-mouth some developers.

For example some poor pennyless but incredible talented 'musicians' wait for a legit Cubase crack since version 5, they just show the typical behavior of disappointed kids (and what do those people want with Cubase anyway?) If you want to have a laugh just go and visit one of their forums, then you really get a glimpse of how those warez user minds work..

No it seems to be no myth. I took a deeper look on the hacked (not cracked) plugins and the dlls are much smaller than the original ones. I assume that the group just found a way to delete all CP related code and run the vst code standalone in an virtual environment.

[Meffy]

The thread has gone well past discussing the immediate issue and its impact on legitimate software users, and is looking more like an airing of what some people perceive as "pros" for piracy. I think that's the cue to bring the curtain down. KVR is not a place for that.