The English horn solo, or ensemble? The solo English horn is nice, the ensemble have a limited range (I checked that with IK, too - it is supposed to be that limited, I'm not missing any samples), but in a normal orchestra you'd only have one English horn played by one of the oboe players. Three ensemble English horns is unusual, which may be why the ensemble samples aren't as extensive.bill45 wrote:I just installed MP 2.There is no Key switch patch for the english horn . I'm
hearing just a few notes. 2.0.1 is installed. I checked the zip files. The other instruments have a key switch patch.The english horn does not have a keyswitch patch.
IK Multimedia announced Miroslav Philharmonik 2
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- KVRAF
- 2210 posts since 20 Sep, 2013 from Poland
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- KVRist
- 380 posts since 22 Jun, 2007
Bought this during holidays and I must say it's the most disappointing sample library purchase I've ever made. Even if I got it with upgrade price I still feel like ripped off.
Sounds themselves are mostly ok, but playability is straight from the 90s.
- No real legato even though legato is mentioned multiple times on product page. Not even a playable fake legato with sample start and crossfade manipulation. Legato patches are collection of very short (like staccato short) clips apparently sampled from legato played lines. Not really what you expect from a legato patch and hard to understand how they are supposed to be used. There are also some longer legato lines you would expect to find from some orchestal loop library. Again really unusable stuff.
- No modwheel crossfade between layers and didn't figure out any way to do this with. New sampletank doesn't even seem to support inverse cc curves so you can't make two layer modwheel crossfade your self. Pretty sure I did that with old ST2 years ago.
- 2x Round robins for staccatos etc! Seriously... This is supposed to be a big 500 eur library, not an entry level one like GPO.
Can't really recommend to anyone unless you want that Miroslav sound and even then original Miroslav Philharmonik is better choice. Price tag of an AAA library, but feels like an entry level one and even in that case I'd recommend GPO instead because of better playability.
Sounds themselves are mostly ok, but playability is straight from the 90s.
- No real legato even though legato is mentioned multiple times on product page. Not even a playable fake legato with sample start and crossfade manipulation. Legato patches are collection of very short (like staccato short) clips apparently sampled from legato played lines. Not really what you expect from a legato patch and hard to understand how they are supposed to be used. There are also some longer legato lines you would expect to find from some orchestal loop library. Again really unusable stuff.
- No modwheel crossfade between layers and didn't figure out any way to do this with. New sampletank doesn't even seem to support inverse cc curves so you can't make two layer modwheel crossfade your self. Pretty sure I did that with old ST2 years ago.
- 2x Round robins for staccatos etc! Seriously... This is supposed to be a big 500 eur library, not an entry level one like GPO.
Can't really recommend to anyone unless you want that Miroslav sound and even then original Miroslav Philharmonik is better choice. Price tag of an AAA library, but feels like an entry level one and even in that case I'd recommend GPO instead because of better playability.
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- KVRian
- 1181 posts since 6 Jun, 2002 from Southern Germany
+1, I share your opinion.sauli wrote:Bought this during holidays and I must say it's the most disappointing sample library purchase I've ever made. Even if I got it with upgrade price I still feel like ripped off.
Sounds themselves are mostly ok, but playability is straight from the 90s.
- No real legato even though legato is mentioned multiple times on product page. Not even a playable fake legato with sample start and crossfade manipulation. Legato patches are collection of very short (like staccato short) clips apparently sampled from legato played lines. Not really what you expect from a legato patch and hard to understand how they are supposed to be used. There are also some longer legato lines you would expect to find from some orchestal loop library. Again really unusable stuff.
- No modwheel crossfade between layers and didn't figure out any way to do this with. New sampletank doesn't even seem to support inverse cc curves so you can't make two layer modwheel crossfade your self. Pretty sure I did that with old ST2 years ago.
- 2x Round robins for staccatos etc! Seriously... This is supposed to be a big 500 eur library, not an entry level one like GPO.
Can't really recommend to anyone unless you want that Miroslav sound and even then original Miroslav Philharmonik is better choice. Price tag of an AAA library, but feels like an entry level one and even in that case I'd recommend GPO instead because of better playability.
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- KVRAF
- 10366 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Surrey, UK
I believe that others have reported issues with the English Horns to IK Multimedia Support. But, according to the published list there should be a "English Horn Solo Multi". If not, then let IK Support know.
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 5 Jan, 2016
I've registered on here, purely to express my total displeasure with my recent purchase of the Philharmonik 2. For one thing, the software crashes each time I open or install it meaning I'm having to play everything through sampletank 3 instead. No info has been given by IK Multimedia that has got round this.
But..the sounds. Holy Jesus, I would really think twice before buying it. What is going on with the legato strings I do not know, little pitch shifted mice squeaks. And a lot of the sounds are just too...quirky, too much vibrato, too much noise, slapdash tail offs...to be honest it is really quite weird, like it hasn't been checked properly.
I bought it to do some serious work but this is not a serious library or one for a professional musician. I could go on in further detail but suffice to say now that this is a big time waste of money and needs a serious update and fast.
Good have the Miroslav 1 sounds. It was the quality ofd that that fooled me into getting this. And I'm regretting it in a big way.
But..the sounds. Holy Jesus, I would really think twice before buying it. What is going on with the legato strings I do not know, little pitch shifted mice squeaks. And a lot of the sounds are just too...quirky, too much vibrato, too much noise, slapdash tail offs...to be honest it is really quite weird, like it hasn't been checked properly.
I bought it to do some serious work but this is not a serious library or one for a professional musician. I could go on in further detail but suffice to say now that this is a big time waste of money and needs a serious update and fast.
Good have the Miroslav 1 sounds. It was the quality ofd that that fooled me into getting this. And I'm regretting it in a big way.
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- KVRAF
- 3389 posts since 7 Aug, 2008
I had a bunch of multis from Sonik Reality that no longer worked when I upgraded to ST3 exactly because of this. Those multis allowed you to use the mod wheel to crossfade between two instruments (like an acoustic and electric guitar) and as best I can tell, you're right. ST3 has no way to do it at all. ST2 certainly did.sauli wrote: - No modwheel crossfade between layers and didn't figure out any way to do this with. New sampletank doesn't even seem to support inverse cc curves so you can't make two layer modwheel crossfade your self. Pretty sure I did that with old ST2 years ago.
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 5 Jan, 2016
I want to add to this. There are so many weird overtones coming out on so many of the samples, it makes it very difficult to get them to sit properly in a piece....am using it now. The Solo instrument sections especially. I've been struggling with it since just before Xmas and find I keep going back to Miroslav 1 or going to other libraries.
When they say it is a library with 'feeling' -yes, it is one feeling. And once you've heard it you're gonna recognise it every time its used. There's no flexibility in the sound...it's just kind of grating.
I think IK better come back to their customers on what they're going to do to rectify some of the serious issues there are with this release. I don't know if they rushed it to hard or what. But it is shocking.
I'm pleased to have found this forum to express some view on it because I have been shaking my head in disbelief for the last couple of weeks.
When they say it is a library with 'feeling' -yes, it is one feeling. And once you've heard it you're gonna recognise it every time its used. There's no flexibility in the sound...it's just kind of grating.
I think IK better come back to their customers on what they're going to do to rectify some of the serious issues there are with this release. I don't know if they rushed it to hard or what. But it is shocking.
I'm pleased to have found this forum to express some view on it because I have been shaking my head in disbelief for the last couple of weeks.
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- KVRAF
- 2604 posts since 15 Jun, 2006
It's the new english horn ensemble. I only get 5 notes F2-A2.
I agree there is noise and weird overtones on some samples.
But, I like the warmth of a lot of the samples. Also missing some samples on some
low brass patches.
I agree there is noise and weird overtones on some samples.
But, I like the warmth of a lot of the samples. Also missing some samples on some
low brass patches.
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Peter - IK Multimedia Peter - IK Multimedia https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217907 - KVRAF
- 8148 posts since 20 Oct, 2009
If I recall, you've reported your issues to support though I might be mistaken. Others that are experiencing issues or who aren't having the normal experience with Miroslav Philharmonik 2 should do so as well of course.bill45 wrote:It's the new english horn ensemble. I only get 5 notes F2-A2.
I agree there is noise and weird overtones on some samples.
But, I like the warmth of a lot of the samples. Also missing some samples on some
low brass patches.
I also wanted to let you all know we have a second tutorial-style video available:
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- KVRer
- 3 posts since 5 Jan, 2016
Well I'll temper what I'm saying in relation to a friends reaction to hearing some of the sounds (he'sa Bassoon player) which is that he thinks it sounds great. He was enjoying the overtones and harmonics..so its worth adding that.
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- KVRAF
- 6272 posts since 25 Mar, 2004
I can't agree with this statement.TheoM wrote: ST3 is a very flawed product as is..
When it was first released, it had a number of documented bugs, and some features were lacking. However, the current version is, IMHO, a real studio asset.
The instruments are top notch, no longer inhibited by a low memory cap. FX selection is amazing. Ease of use is also there. On top of which, the inclusion of a large MIDI library along with an amazing selection of kits makes it my new go-to drum plugin for many applications.
Obviously, everyone has a different work flow, so accessibility will be in the eye of the beholder. But for the breadth of what's included, I think it's a great product. Because I'm not a programmer, I can't really comment on the technical side of things. There may be some tech issues that make it literally a "flawed" product. But as an experienced musician/consumer, I can say that ST3 has a lot to offer.
I also can't comment on the quality of the new Miro as I don't own it, and I'm not sure I have the "ears" for that genre to provide a meaningful critique in any event. But if others here find fault with the library, I would hope that IKM takes their opinions seriously.
Cheers
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Berfab
So many plugins, so little time...
So many plugins, so little time...
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Peter - IK Multimedia Peter - IK Multimedia https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217907
- KVRAF
- 8148 posts since 20 Oct, 2009
Thanks for that alternative opinion from your friend. I do see that there was a ticket for crashing but no mention of the other issues you have with the library. If you'd like to explore those issues and see what's going on, you can reply to your existing ticket and they'll happily assist you more. Thank you.Miloxkitrov wrote:Well I'll temper what I'm saying in relation to a friends reaction to hearing some of the sounds (he'sa Bassoon player) which is that he thinks it sounds great. He was enjoying the overtones and harmonics..so its worth adding that.
