Importing VST songs into SX?

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I apologise in advance for the undoubtedsly many questions I'll be posting about SX. :oops: Upgrade from VST5.1->SX2 soon to arrive.

So.......can I import old VST songs into SX? I don't expect all of the mixer settings etc to import, obviously, but will the arrangements and audio parts, midi parts etc be importable into SX?

I always save any VSTi and FX patches in with any song folder, so they'll be no problem to regrab. But I often use audio parts with lots of chopping and re-arranging in them though - will they import?
Midi parts I suppose are no great problem - I can go back into all the old arrangements from 5.1 and save them as .prt or .mid etc. Should I do this, or will they import safely anyway? I don't mind doing it if I have to, but I'll need to get cracking and do it soon if that's the case before I have to hand my old dongle in and 5.1 becomes redundant on my system (or will a new SX dongle still enable VST5.1?.....that'd be a nice thought)

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kritikon wrote:I can go back into all the old arrangements from 5.1 and save them as .prt or .mid etc. Should I do this, or will they import safely anyway?
You probably don't need to do that, the basic things should import properly.
kritikon wrote: I don't mind doing it if I have to, but I'll need to get cracking and do it soon if that's the case before I have to hand my old dongle in and 5.1 becomes redundant on my system (or will a new SX dongle still enable VST5.1?.....that'd be a nice thought)
Why do you have to hand in your old dongle? My 5.1 and SX2 dongles are both plugged in and work fine on my system.

Import limitations are described on pages 770-771 of the operations manual downloadable here 10.5MB.
:D

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cold c wrote:Why do you have to hand in your old dongle? My 5.1 and SX2 dongles are both plugged in and work fine on my system.
Ha!

I've got VST5.1, SX1, and SX2 dongles plugged into one machine, simultaneously!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

SX2 Rocks. Light years ahead of VST5.1!

Forever,




Kim.

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jeez wrote:SX2 Rocks. Light years ahead of VST5.1!
glad to read that, as I'm waiting on the upgrade as well. I loved 5.1, so now that I've made the commitment I'm getting rather excited about it!
:hyper:

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kritikon wrote:So.......can I import old VST songs into SX? I don't expect all of the mixer settings etc to import, obviously, but will the arrangements and audio parts, midi parts etc be importable into SX?

I always save any VSTi and FX patches in with any song folder, so they'll be no problem to regrab. But I often use audio parts with lots of chopping and re-arranging in them though - will they import?
Most simple stuff should import fine, but there will be some errors/omissions - because SX is a different product to VST, and a few features work differently. There's actually a document that comes with SX that has all the detail of what imports correctly and what doesn't. You might find that helpful.

Since the upgrade lets you keep VST5.1 (and the dongle), you can keep working in VST5.1 for your current projects, and use SX for new ones. I have VST5.1, SX1, and SX2 all installed on the same machine (all three dongles too!) with no problems running any of them[1].

Oh another cool thing - SX has all-new automation... it's actually USEFUL now! Actually, it's very well implemented. I never used automation with VST5.1 because it was such a hassle and never worked right... now automation is solid, and FUN!

Ooh boy I'd better stop, I could go on for days... :hyper:

Forever,




Kim.

[1] For some reason, SX2 wanted to install into the SX1 directory, which I didn't like the idea of, so I made sure to install it in a separate directory. You probably won't have to worry about that though, because you're skipping SX1.

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I upgraded from VST5.1 to SX2 about 2 months ago. I loved VST5.1 too but ran into its limitations. I can also state that it rocks and you're gonna love SX2. It takes a while to see where everything is but most things in SX2 actually make much more sence. Hail SX2! :D

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This all sounds good - music to my ears.

So you can keep the old dongle! :shock: My dealer told me I need to hand in the old one before they'll give me the SX one! The same happened when I went from 3 -> 5. I had to hand in the old one. Hmmmmm, I must double check this with the dealer, because it's a big peace of mind to be able to keep 5.1 for those difficult learning times when you just want to throw a brick at the new version when it refuses to do what you want :(
Oh another cool thing - SX has all-new automation... it's actually USEFUL now! Actually, it's very well implemented. I never used automation with VST5.1 because it was such a hassle and never worked right... now automation is solid, and FUN!
Yeah...that's one of the things I'm really looking forward to. :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:
5.1's VST automation was always very slow on FX for some reason - I could never get it right without manually editing the data (might have been something to do with primitive PDC or something?)
Import limitations are described on pages 770-771 of the operations manual downloadable here 10.5MB.
Useful stuff, ta :wink:
But....surely the CD has a full manual included? :-o It'd take me hours to d/l a 10MB manual on snail mail. (I could do it here at work I suppose, but for some weird reason, our firewall lets us d/l stuff into the network, but not send anything out....I could never understand that!). S'pose there's always the trusty printer.
I loved 5.1, so now that I've made the commitment I'm getting rather excited about it!
Ha....me too, Bluedad. It really pissed me off at first, but now I figure....I was going to do it some day anyhow, so now I've had to, I may as well look forward to all the lovely new features that 5.1 doesn't have.
:hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :party: :ud:

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kritikon wrote:So you can keep the old dongle! :shock: My dealer told me I need to hand in the old one before they'll give me the SX one!
From 5.x to SX2 you should get to keep your old dongle. From SX1 to SX2, the SX1 dongle can just be "activated" for SX2. (At least, that's how it is for UK users.)
But....surely the CD has a full manual included?
Yes it has the various manuals are included in pdf form, and the getting started guide in printed form.

I find the "last chance" for SX2 thing strange as Steinberg have always offered an upgrade path from ancient versions, my guess is there will still be an upgrade path to SX3 from VST 5.x.

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My dealer told me I need to hand in the old one before they'll give me the SX one!
Same hear; I had to hand in the old dongle too.
On the other hand.... I don't see the purpose in using VST5.1 when you have SX2.

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No, you're right.....but there no doubt will be the odd excrutiating moment when I just can't figure out what I'm doing with SX, but I want to get some music done - and still having 5.1 is a good back up - at least I know how to work that one. :?

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RWA wrote:
My dealer told me I need to hand in the old one before they'll give me the SX one!
Same hear; I had to hand in the old dongle too.
you had to give it up? I had to take my dongle in the the shop - but they guy only had to see it to verify that I was a real Cubase owner. Like I said, I've got three Cubase dongles hanging off my computer.

RWA wrote:On the other hand.... I don't see the purpose in using VST5.1 when you have SX2.
Keep working on old projects? SX's import of VST5 files is less than perfect.

Forever,




Kim.

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Keep working on old projects? SX's import of VST5 files is less than perfect.
I see your point.
But it's worth the effort. Shure... you have to re-root some vsti's and mixer-settings are all f**ked up but once you've fixed that you can just move on. I know some create music using several hosts but I like to keep it simple to prevent errors.

Anyway, it seems there are different policies about the dongle thing. I think most of it has to do with the knowledge of the store you're dealing with; back in september I asked about the upcoming SX2 release and that was the first time they heard about it.... :?

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The only dongles that need to be returned to upgrade
to SX are dongles for versions before 5.0 :!:

From Arbiters (Steinberg UK distributers) web site
>>>
What does the upgrade include? The upgrade packages are dual platform (PC/Mac) and consist of a Cubase SX 2.0 CD-ROM, an extensive user manual and a new copy protection key (dongle).
If you wish to upgrade a version of Cubase older than 5.0 you will need to return your dongle/masterdisk. Cubase 5.0 or 5.1 users however need not return their dongles!

One benefit you get from keeping your old dongle
is that SX has system link and there is a VST 5
update that also has system link added .

So if you have a spare computer knocking around
you could have SX on one and VST 5 on the other
and system link the two together , though this
seems to be totaly dependant on if system link
works with your sound card , I couldn't get it
to work between 2 Audiophiles and think FXteleport
is way better .
The world was not given to you by your parents it is on loan from your children, respect !!!

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Holy crap! I didn't know that! :-o
Does it also mean you can keep the CD-rom? I was told to return both of them before upgrading.
One benefit you get from keeping your old dongle
is that SX has system link and there is a VST 5
update that also has system link added .
That's definitely a usefull way of using yer old VST-version. Damn..... I wonder if I can get it back. I mean the fuckin' store-dude misinformed me then.

I'm contacting them tomorrow..... I wonder how they'll react.

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RWA wrote:Holy crap! I didn't know that! :-o
Does it also mean you can keep the CD-rom? I was told to return both of them before upgrading.
One benefit you get from keeping your old dongle
is that SX has system link and there is a VST 5
update that also has system link added .
That's definitely a usefull way of using yer old VST-version. Damn..... I wonder if I can get it back. I mean the fuckin' store-dude misinformed me then.

I'm contacting them tomorrow..... I wonder how they'll react.
But of coarse you keep the CD-rom too :shock:

looks like your Steinberg dealer got themselves a free Cubase VST 5 to give to their friends :-o

Forgot to put the link to the Arbiter quote I gave
above so here it is > http://www.arbitermt.co.uk/steinberg/pr ... grades.htm

There is also this from a page on the SOS site
In a commendably generous move, users upgrading from Cubase VST 5 will be allowed to keep their original dongle, and both applications seem to happily coexist on the same machine. I did have a slight problem on one occasion where VST refused to see the parallel-port-connected dongle, but a simple reinstall of the 5.1 update resolved the situation.
at the bottom of the black vertical box that has
the pros , cons and summary >> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug02/a ... basesx.asp
The world was not given to you by your parents it is on loan from your children, respect !!!

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