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Oopfoo · Post by **Oopfoo** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:11 am

Congratulations on finding a great synth! This is the first OSC synth since Aalto that I'm going to purchase. Wildly fun!

SoundGoddess · Post by **SoundGoddess** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:16 am

Alright I didn't listen to my song yesterday so I had fresh ears to play with it today. I ditched my previous mix and mixed it again from scratch. Upped the BPM slightly which shaved off a few seconds, added a little surprise to the bass/horn melody. Added a hat roll to the riser. Should have better dynamic range, although I couldn't figure out how to get this DR vst working so I could measure the levels. I don't know about cutting the song down to 3 minutes, I like where it's at now. I'd love to add a little comb filtering to the drums to spice it up a bit but I'm not sure how to do that with MPowerSynth and I guess I can't use Bitwig's comb filter per the rules.

https://soundcloud.com/soundgoddess008/ ... powersynth

I really appreciate everyone's feedback, I'm starting to feel confident about this track. Not sure why I was feeling so timid a few days ago but I really enjoy being part of the community

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ThePresent · Post by **ThePresent** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:48 pm

SoundGoddess wrote: I guess I can't use Bitwig's comb filter per the rules.

What not, DAW effects are allowed as long as it does not alter the synth beyond recognition?

psmacmur · Post by **psmacmur** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:59 pm

Pretty sure I saw some comb filters in MPowerSynth's vast filter type selection. I don't really know what comb filters do, though, so I've stuck to LP so far...

mehum · Post by **mehum** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:11 pm

Ok, last day to be home neglecting my kids so I have to commit to this now

There are some things I could change but they're minor details and there's charm in imperfection

This time break beats melded with chillout and EBM.
MPowerSynth, while anti-workflow, was pretty fun to work with in the end. Not really suited to many instances - countless times I had multiple ADSR:s open and accidentally modify or turn off one for a different track...

mehum - Euler's Imaginary Identity Crisis

https://soundcloud.com/neophile/mehum-e ... ity-crisis

DAW: Reaper 5
PowerSynths: 25
Presets: None
Other: ReaEQ * 6, TDR Nova * 4, U-he Protoverb * 2, MJUCjr * 2, SanfordDelay, FuzzPlus3, ReaComp, TDR Kotelnikov, Limiter No6

Project file:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/03ts982vkeldb ... s.RPP?dl=0

Hope you enjoy!

Good luck to all of you with your tunes!

SoundGoddess · Post by **SoundGoddess** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:20 pm

ThePresent wrote:
SoundGoddess wrote: I guess I can't use Bitwig's comb filter per the rules.
What not, DAW effects are allowed as long as it does not alter the synth beyond recognition?

The following DAW effects are NOT allowed:

Any type of modulation effect (e.g. chorus, phaser, flanger, rotary etc.). (Please note that effects like reverb or delays that perform modulation to achieve their sound are ALLOWED, but the modulation usage must be minimal.)
Effects that pitch the sound (e.g. pitched / granular delays, tapestops etc.)
Any effect that transforms the sound to make them unrecognizable as being from the synth.

Well I think it would be considered a modulation effect.

z.prime · Post by **z.prime** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:28 pm

SoundGoddess wrote:.. comb filter ..

TEH REWLZ wrote:... NOT allowed: ... Effects that pitch the sound (e.g. pitched / granular delays, tapestops etc.) ... Any effect that transforms the sound to make them unrecognizable as being from the synth.

SoundGoddess wrote:Well I think it would be considered a modulation effect.

It has a very high resonant filter bank, which adds many pitches that may have not been present. It's also very easy to end up with a very different / unrecognizable sound. I don't think it would be considered 'modulation', though. If it wasn't so extreme I would think it could be allowed.

bjporter · Post by **bjporter** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:53 pm

We don't have much a precedent on comb filters. Maybe one person has used it before.

It sounds like most people agree on it being a no go, so I'll clarify the rules then. Any other thoughts?

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:56 pm

bjporter wrote:We don't have much a precedent on comb filters. Maybe one person has used it before.

It sounds like most people agree on it being a no go, so I'll clarify the rules then. Any other thoughts?

Well, what if it's part of the synth itself and a number of factory patches even make use of it? What are we supposed to do, go through every patch to make sure we're not using one with a comb filter?

I thought if an effect was part of the actual synth it was okay to use?

Is that rule now changed?

z.prime · Post by **z.prime** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:00 pm

wagtunes wrote:
bjporter wrote:We don't have much a precedent on comb filters. Maybe one person has used it before.

It sounds like most people agree on it being a no go, so I'll clarify the rules then. Any other thoughts?
Well, what if it's part of the synth itself and a number of factory patches even make use of it? What are we supposed to do, go through every patch to make sure we're not using one with a comb filter?

I thought if an effect was part of the actual synth it was okay to use?

Is that rule now changed?

Anything part of the synth you can use all you want. It's only the external FX in question.

z.prime · Post by **z.prime** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:04 pm

bjporter wrote:We don't have much a precedent on comb filters. Maybe one person has used it before.
It sounds like most people agree on it being a no go, so I'll clarify the rules then. Any other thoughts?

For clarification: I think they are as allowable as other filters, again, when used in moderation. Sort of a glorified eq/filter combo with particular frequency distribution. They're also not particularly useful for many things as far as I'm concerned. But I'm of the "go hog wild with FX" camp.

ontrackp · Post by **ontrackp** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:26 pm

z.prime wrote:
bjporter wrote:We don't have much a precedent on comb filters. Maybe one person has used it before.
It sounds like most people agree on it being a no go, so I'll clarify the rules then. Any other thoughts?
For clarification: I think they are as allowable as other filters, again, when used in moderation. Sort of a glorified eq/filter combo with particular frequency distribution. They're also not particularly useful for many things as far as I'm concerned. But I'm of the "go hog wild with FX" camp.

I see no reason to dis-allow comb filters. The standard has been to not significantly change the character of the sound so it shouldn't matter what type of filter it is. If it makes the sound a lot different than what is coming out of the synth, don't use it.

bjporter · Post by **bjporter** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:53 pm

wagtunes wrote:
bjporter wrote: Is that rule now changed?

Zprime is right! You are always allowed to use your synth FX as much as possible. Turn em' up to 11!!

Ok, so it sounds like we're not in consensus on the Comb filter, so I'll make a note in the rules that Comb Filter should be used carefully then?

z.prime · Post by **z.prime** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:12 pm

I dunno if you need to add anything about it unless you'd like to add a clarifying section that lists examples of allowed plugins... We haven't made special mention of other fx types that I see...

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:17 pm

Well, my point was this. In the context of this OSC, it's a non issue. I am 99.9% sure that MPS has a comb filter. I can go check but I'm pretty sure. In fact, this synth has more filter types than any other synth I've ever worked on.

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