Do you still love oldskool music?
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- KVRist
- 111 posts since 13 Feb, 2014 from vietnam
it's 2016 now,after so many pop hit songs on chart and colorful world of modern music...
i mean,do you still love oldskool music,any kind music in 80s,90s..or influence,retro....? do you still want to look back the old values? for me,honestly,i feel like i still miss alots hidden gem,not mainstream,but underground is huge and mystery,it's own charm...
as i see nowadays,modern music is more and more simplify,somehow abuse repetitive and effects,simple arrangement,but just big and heavy reverb sounds to fill up the space, and EDM is mostly for clubby,big room.....
it's sad,when i show some of my favourite oldskool tracks to my friends,most of them show less interest,even dislike...
it's just because those oldskool tracks sound too dry,less effect,although the musical composition is very good,show such as complex composing structures,changing elements, and building suspense and emotion.
so it's just simply "everything must be into big room...." ?
many people like me used to complaint "Why don't they make something like that anymore?"
Well, any producers can into oldskool,using 80s,90s elements,and making retro music, but who will ever listen?
i mean,do you still love oldskool music,any kind music in 80s,90s..or influence,retro....? do you still want to look back the old values? for me,honestly,i feel like i still miss alots hidden gem,not mainstream,but underground is huge and mystery,it's own charm...
as i see nowadays,modern music is more and more simplify,somehow abuse repetitive and effects,simple arrangement,but just big and heavy reverb sounds to fill up the space, and EDM is mostly for clubby,big room.....
it's sad,when i show some of my favourite oldskool tracks to my friends,most of them show less interest,even dislike...
it's just because those oldskool tracks sound too dry,less effect,although the musical composition is very good,show such as complex composing structures,changing elements, and building suspense and emotion.
so it's just simply "everything must be into big room...." ?
many people like me used to complaint "Why don't they make something like that anymore?"
Well, any producers can into oldskool,using 80s,90s elements,and making retro music, but who will ever listen?
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- KVRian
- 1488 posts since 7 Jan, 2004
No one else who love oldskool music and find their friends completely uninterested?
I know what you mean even though some of my younger friends do like a lot of music from the '80s while they grew up in more recent times.
Could it also be the extensive use of synthesizers which was quite a revelation and hip those days, while today synthesized sounds are completely ubiquitous and available as apps on every smartphone? Often I get feedback on my music like 'good song but you should exchange those synth sounds for something else'. Well, usually I don't want to. I simply love specific synthesized sounds, particularly in (oldskool style) synthpop.
Just my 2c ..
I know what you mean even though some of my younger friends do like a lot of music from the '80s while they grew up in more recent times.
Could it also be the extensive use of synthesizers which was quite a revelation and hip those days, while today synthesized sounds are completely ubiquitous and available as apps on every smartphone? Often I get feedback on my music like 'good song but you should exchange those synth sounds for something else'. Well, usually I don't want to. I simply love specific synthesized sounds, particularly in (oldskool style) synthpop.
Just my 2c ..
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- KVRian
- 975 posts since 4 Jul, 2012 from Blue Crest, Eastern Europe
I only listen to oldskool music 
- KVRAF
- 5646 posts since 15 Dec, 2011
I didn't live the 80s musically, I was very very young. Still not that interested in those years too much today.
But I LOVE everything 90s, be it electronic, alternative or pop. I think those were the years when everyone wanted to be original (and actually succeeded).
The 00s were ok, not great.
Don't wanna talk about this decade, it's kinda
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But I LOVE everything 90s, be it electronic, alternative or pop. I think those were the years when everyone wanted to be original (and actually succeeded).
The 00s were ok, not great.
Don't wanna talk about this decade, it's kinda
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- KVRist
- 353 posts since 22 Feb, 2004
Modern music being musically simplified is just the natural outcome of the complete democratization of music production. Today anyone with a computer can get started creating their own music from an idea to a complete production, and it has helped foster this kind of culture where exploring stuff like composition and arrangement on a deeper level isn't as valued since it's no longer a prerequisite, since you don't need any formal musical training to get started with this stuff either. You can sort of see it here on KVR where people are way more interested in discussing the minute details of the sound of a kick or a pluck than anything else.
People today can find a unique value in older electronic music since it was typically made by people who had a background of classical training which influenced their style and skillsets.
People today can find a unique value in older electronic music since it was typically made by people who had a background of classical training which influenced their style and skillsets.
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- KVRAF
- 2648 posts since 20 Jun, 2012
I know this is painting with a broad brush but majority of the modern commercial music absolutely sucks. Never has music sounded so bland, banal and homogenous as it does today. And that's despite the vast amount of readily available music tech. Even in the 80's it wasn't as bad. Edm is obviously the worst with its tutorial following composition. But the so called cinematic scores are pretty close too.
70's were the golden age of great original border pushing music that was technically challenging and masterly. And it is still those artists that started at that period who have continued to push boundaries and still make the best music today. Of course there's one or two artists from the later decades who could compare and wold be worth mentioning.
So in short I listen a lot of old music and and a lot of modern music made by artist who started out in the 60's and 70's.
70's were the golden age of great original border pushing music that was technically challenging and masterly. And it is still those artists that started at that period who have continued to push boundaries and still make the best music today. Of course there's one or two artists from the later decades who could compare and wold be worth mentioning.
So in short I listen a lot of old music and and a lot of modern music made by artist who started out in the 60's and 70's.
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- KVRAF
- 8083 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
Gen-Xer here. IMHO, mainstream-ish pop and rock burned to the ground, fell over and sank into the swamp in the early 90s and its corpse has rotted further in the 2000s and 2010s. Though some of grunge was okay, it signalled the end.e@rs wrote:I didn't live the 80s musically, I was very very young. Still not that interested in those years too much today.
But I LOVE everything 90s, be it electronic, alternative or pop. I think those were the years when everyone wanted to be original (and actually succeeded).
I mean, some 80s stuff was pretty bad too. But Depeche Mode, Eurythmics, the Cure, Talking Heads...
As far as EBM goes, I think the influence of synthpop and dubstep watered it down (though there are a few decent synthpop-ish EDM groups), and powernoise didn't quite save it. Aside from Youth Code there's just not a lot of excitement there anymore past the mid 90s or so.
I kind of liked dubstep for a while but I'm really tired of the same old thing; same with future garage to a lesser extent, and I'm starting to feel that way about chiptunes too. I kind of got on a witch house kick for a while but there doesn't seem to be a lot of great stuff there that I've found either. Symphonic metal a bit. Right now I feel like I have to get my variety through listening to widely different genres; it's not enough to concentrate on one.
- KVRian
- 719 posts since 17 Aug, 2015 from Finland
Heck yeah I love old-school music! Especially metal.
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- KVRian
- 945 posts since 8 Dec, 2003 from Birmingham-ish, UK (Tamworth, but shhh!)
I listen to loads of stuff made currently. There's so much more great stuff coming out all the time that I can't keep up with it all, despite my futile efforts.
There's a lot of crap (as ever, imo), but it still seems pretty proportional to the amount of good stuff as it always was. In fact slightly less to me, because I no longer have to wade through what is popular of the day to find it with the advent of the internet. So most of the new music I find is alright by me. I don't hear much of what people call EDM these days. The labels I like generally don't put that out so much, if at all.
So I totally disagree that music is worse now than it was. There's just more of it, and if you're still using the same old ways of accessing it, then you'll be swamped with crap because there's just so much out there and the popular stuff has to compete in marketing to make the amount of money required to pay for all the broadly-aimed marketing.
But yeah, I still listen to 80's and 90's stuff (more 90's because of my age) that I listened to back then. Some of it doesn't stand up so well in time, but a lot of it does.
There's a lot of crap (as ever, imo), but it still seems pretty proportional to the amount of good stuff as it always was. In fact slightly less to me, because I no longer have to wade through what is popular of the day to find it with the advent of the internet. So most of the new music I find is alright by me. I don't hear much of what people call EDM these days. The labels I like generally don't put that out so much, if at all.
So I totally disagree that music is worse now than it was. There's just more of it, and if you're still using the same old ways of accessing it, then you'll be swamped with crap because there's just so much out there and the popular stuff has to compete in marketing to make the amount of money required to pay for all the broadly-aimed marketing.
But yeah, I still listen to 80's and 90's stuff (more 90's because of my age) that I listened to back then. Some of it doesn't stand up so well in time, but a lot of it does.
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- KVRAF
- 18482 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I listen to music that spans the time we've been recording music. There are good and bad tracks in every era. We think of the 50s as a lot of Elvis and Chuck Berry, but for every Jailhouse Rock there was a How Much Is That Doggie In The Window. The charts are always filled with crap. They always have been. There are still gems though.
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- KVRAF
- 7903 posts since 24 May, 2009 from Nationalism isn't my thing...
Concentrating on this portion: Even modern filmscores are bland and homogeneous. Yes, there are gems here and there, but even the greats of the '70s and '80s are putting out stuff that is formulaic and has almost no character (I'm talking to you, John Williams).robotmonkey wrote:But the so called cinematic scores are pretty close too.
70's were the golden age of great original border pushing music that was technically challenging and masterly. And it is still those artists that started at that period who have continued to push boundaries and still make the best music today. Of course there's one or two artists from the later decades who could compare and wold be worth mentioning.
So in short I listen a lot of old music and and a lot of modern music made by artist who started out in the 60's and 70's.
So yes, I mostly listen to music that's at least 25 years old. Older, in most cases. I haven't listened to radio music since the early '90s. The '80s were my years.
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- Banned
- 892 posts since 23 Jan, 2011
Took the words right out of my mouth. ☺GeckoYamori wrote:Modern music being musically simplified is just the natural outcome of the complete democratization of music production. Today anyone with a computer can get started creating their own music from an idea to a complete production, and it has helped foster this kind of culture where exploring stuff like composition and arrangement on a deeper level isn't as valued since it's no longer a prerequisite, since you don't need any formal musical training to get started with this stuff either. You can sort of see it here on KVR where people are way more interested in discussing the minute details of the sound of a kick or a pluck than anything else.
People today can find a unique value in older electronic music since it was typically made by people who had a background of classical training which influenced their style and skillsets.
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- KVRAF
- 5710 posts since 24 May, 2004 from []1
I can't help it since I'm real old school anyway.
- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
For me the difference between old and new skool is mainly:
Old skool: Volume on scale from 1-10 is at 8, Bass is at 8, etc
New Skool: Volume on scale from 1-10 is at 11, Bass is at 11, etc
So the difference between old and new skool is that new skool has taken everything to the extreme and beyond
But there is nothing really new, in chord structure, rhythm, or anything that makes music different than it was before
Old skool: Volume on scale from 1-10 is at 8, Bass is at 8, etc
New Skool: Volume on scale from 1-10 is at 11, Bass is at 11, etc
So the difference between old and new skool is that new skool has taken everything to the extreme and beyond
But there is nothing really new, in chord structure, rhythm, or anything that makes music different than it was before
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- KVRAF
- 3506 posts since 12 May, 2011
I wonder how many people disparaging modern pop/music here are of the generation it's aimed at. My 20-year old son listens to a lot of current acts (the names of which I remain ignorant) and rather likes them.
I can remember The Beatles being described as inane, Black Sabbath as just noise &tc.
As has been said, chart music is crap. But it's mostly made for the musically uneducated, and has never been about real music.
Ps What is "old skool" anyway?
Edit: already answered
I can remember The Beatles being described as inane, Black Sabbath as just noise &tc.
As has been said, chart music is crap. But it's mostly made for the musically uneducated, and has never been about real music.
Ps What is "old skool" anyway?
Edit: already answered