So... Tracktion.

[frankvg]

Well, forgive me, but it's seems basically the same as 10 years ago.

I didn't mean to criticise, only curious to know your experience. It might be basically the same as 10 years ago, there is probably a good reason Logic and Studio One copied its single window paradigm. So what exactly would you want to change?

I found it tough to just compose something.

Why?

Might just be me, but didn't seem snappy.

You mean that performance is not optimised?

[frankvg]

it could rule if...

Could you please rephrase that in a practical wishlist for Tracktion?

[incubus]

Well, forgive me, but it's seems basically the same as 10 years ago.

I didn't mean to criticise, only curious to know your experience. It might be basically the same as 10 years ago, there is probably a good reason Logic and Studio One copied its single window paradigm. So what exactly would you want to change?

I found it tough to just compose something.

Why?

Might just be me, but didn't seem snappy.

You mean that performance is not optimised?

Not sure I'd use the word "optimized" (because many hosts aren't) but seemed tough to load the software I wanted, to use controller, and to record audio or midi.

Here's the best way I describe it. Though there is nothing "wrong" with it, it felt the same as using it way back when. In the meantime, many hosts have spoiled me what feels like a more efficient way to go about things. I admit I didn't just dissect it, I'm happy with what I have (reason) but sometimes I want to use the vsts I own so I try demos.

It's not difficult to use, but it didn't gel at all.

[fedexnman]

If you are a big Reason user but want to just use your VST/VSTi stuff just use Reaper . Yes , I'm jumping on the Reaper bandwagon . Woooooo ....

[incubus]

If you are a big Reason user but want to just use your VST/VSTi stuff just use Reaper . Yes , I'm jumping on the Reaper bandwagon . Woooooo ....

Yeah, but I hate reaper Used everything (well, duh!) and just live in RE land. Would like to try mixbus because of the audio editing and ability to use my vsts......no demo

[fedexnman]

Yep , we all love to hate Reaper too including me but it works and is stable .

[incubus]

But I hate reaper!

(but yes, I mention it 76.4% of the time)

It is. It's a good thing, it has the BEST demo period.

[jens]

it could rule if...

Could you please rephrase that in a practical wishlist for Tracktion?

For starters:

- a piano roll that opens in another window and thus is capable of actually using all available screenspace and also of being used on another monitor

- a piano-roll that is actually dedicated to and optimized for editing MIDI-data

- a mixer that opens in another window and thus is capable of actually using all available screenspace and also of being used on another monitor

- a mixer that is vertical

- a mixer that is configurable independently of the track-list and that is actually dedicated to and optimized for mixing


These additional functions would take NOTHING away from Tracktion's current functionality yet expand it greatly.

And nonethless the Tracktion Team keeps marketing these severe shortcomings (i.e. the lack of above functionality) as if it was actually a benefit. The "single window paradigm" is not a paradigm but rather a silly flaw.

That's my definition of having the own head glued to where is smells funny.

[classic]

I own Tracktion 6 also.
I never understod the way it handles its " Edits" and the way it stors them.
Not like other DAWs that just start a new project and you give it a name and you are done.
In Tracktion you can stor an Edit in and Edit and so on??????
Confusing, at least for me.

AND it just does not loads THE plugins I would like to use.
Gives me every time a looooooooooooong list of vst that do not load the right way.
So, I find my self using Renoise most of the time.
Everything runs fine and straight:)

[aMUSEd]

I hope project management gets a shakeup, that for me, along with poor plugin preset support, is its biggest frustration. However I love the lack of complications, single window and no mixer, I would not want those things to change, if people want those most other hosts do that, I for one chose Tracktion to get away from that particular paradigm.

[aMUSEd]

AND it just does not loads THE plugins I would like to use.
Gives me every time a looooooooooooong list of vst that do not load the right way.

Not sure what you mean there, the plugin editor and view options are amongst the most flexible in any host, you can basically organise them however you want, even by tag and have plugins that do more than one thing in multiple categories.

[jens]

However I love the lack of complications, single window and no mixer, I would not want those things to change, if people want those most other hosts do that, I for one chose Tracktion to get away from that particular paradigm.

Sorry, but that is simply complete and utter nonsense!

If you don't want to use the mixer window, you simply don't.

If you only want to use the inline MIDI editor, and not the big one, then do that.

You can work single window in a lot of other sequencers too (Reaper for instance) but you are not forced to.

But there are other reasons to like Tracktion. Saying those who do should not get this and that functionality, because YOU wouldn't use it anyway is actually a pretty crappy attidude, if you think about it.

[aMUSEd]

Not really, what you're saying is you just want Tracktion to be like other DAWS, most people bought into it because of what made it unique.

[jens]

False. There is no logic in what you say. If you have an inline MIDI editor (as Tracktion has) and a MIDI editor that opens in another window (as Tracktion does not have), and you are free to either open one or the other, then that does not make it less "unique" in any positive way, to take away one of those options. It does not add anything to take away functionality.

In the case of the MIDI editor it is usually like this:

you double-click the item/Clip and the editor opens. Tracktion works like this.
Now you work with the editor, then after you are done you close it. It's the same for both an inline-editor and a windowed one. However the windowed one will manage to fit more notes on the screen at once, because it uses more available screen-space for the piano-roll, by hiding everything that isn't needed for editing MIDI (such as the mixer).
What you say is basically doing so, is more complicated than always showing the mixer (the Little bit of mixer there is). For me there is always a lot of zooming in and out and scrolling up and down and back and forth involved when editing MIDI, even with a dedicated editor - and with Tracktion's inline-editor this is much worse.
When you say this sort crappy resstrictive workflow-hindrance was basically the only thing that makes Tracktion "unique", then that tells me two things:

a) your MIDI data must most probably be pretty .... *cough* basic and undemanding content-wise

b) you haven't really understood what's great about Tracktion

[scintillator]

It was unique 10+ years ago. Now... it looks primitive. Especially the two things that were mentioned - MIDI editor and Mixer/Plugin section. Both could be much improved, including viewing options.

For me, the showstoppers are bugs and subscription.