is Sampletank usefull?

[pheeleep]

it's ok.. I didn't mean to offend you.. I am just genuinely interested in hearing your music, and the kind of sounds that you dig.. I'll check out the tunes you mentioned

[DevonB]

it's ok.. I didn't mean to offend you.. I am just genuinely interested in hearing your music, and the kind of sounds that you dig.. I'll check out the tunes you mentioned

My appologies too. Catching people's intent around here sometimes....

Devon

[pheeleep]

[stale bread]

reunited and it feels so goooood

[EJo]

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[DevonB]

In Devons case, the song was actually quite musical, but he has a lot to learn about mixing, compresors and reverbs.

I had a whole hour to write, mix, and post it without using a ton of effects. Didn't help that my little boy was sleeping and had to mix at low levels, like I said here originally.

Any other sweeping statements you'd like to make about my abilities?

Devon

[flugel45]

I once saw someone named Jon Brion play (he plays every Friday night at Cafe Largo in LA) and while he was known for having the coolest vintage keyboards he chose to put a PSR700 on stage instead! I thought he was brilliant for doing it because the way he made it sound was NOTHING like what kind of Casio-like home keyboard sound you'd except. He ran it through guitar pedals and just the way he played it made great creative music as he manages to do every Friday night.

Jon Brion is indeed a talented guy. I remember in one week I read references to him in three different magazines, and up to that point, I'd never heard of him! The double-stop guitar at the beginning of the Wallflowers' "One Headlight" is him. He produced Brad Meldhau's (jazz pianist) last album. Meldhau said in an interview he happened to catch Brion at an L.A. club and the guy was playing a solo Beatles set on vibes! Meldhau said he had never heard such musicality before, and eventually hired him to be producer on his upcoming album.

And Devon, I apologize for getting a bit hot under the collar. No point in it, as you stated, I'm sure I read more into it than you'd intended. Fact is, I value your comments regarding sample libraries and instruments (since you seem to have every one that's worth mentioning -- except, as Squids noted, Sampletank ).

JD

[DevonB]

And Devon, I apologize for getting a bit hot under the collar. No point in it, as you stated, I'm sure I read more into it than you'd intended. Fact is, I value your comments regarding sample libraries and instruments (since you seem to have every one that's worth mentioning -- except, as Squids noted, Sampletank. ).

JD

No biggie. I've been getting a little hot under the collar myself as people keep putting words into my mouth these days that I didn't say at all. Not that I haven't done the same thing myself.

No, I wasn't comparing Casio to Sampletank at all. Just a reference that, if you want to and have the talent, you can write a musical track with any tool provided, no matter how much one likes the sounds or not.

Justifying gear lust? Not really. The more you play, the more jaded you get though, quite honestly. I can certainly see the usefulness in something like SampleTank. For me personally, who has a large sample collection, I've simply outgrown a product like that. I come from a different perspective that a lot of people, but I'm more than happy to state that too. You read my posts, you eventually gleen that, but I have no idea how many posts you've read of mine either.

And then it comes down to just plain personal taste. I've seen tons of people on this forum glow about ST and tons who hate it. Who's right? Or is it just an opinion? I certainly don't think someone is wrong for liking something, that's for sure.

Did I miss anything?

Devon

[Squids]

I once saw someone named Jon Brion play (he plays every Friday night at Cafe Largo in LA) and while he was known for having the coolest vintage keyboards he chose to put a PSR700 on stage instead! I thought he was brilliant for doing it because the way he made it sound was NOTHING like what kind of Casio-like home keyboard sound you'd except. He ran it through guitar pedals and just the way he played it made great creative music as he manages to do every Friday night.

Jon Brion is indeed a talented guy. I remember in one week I read references to him in three different magazines, and up to that point, I'd never heard of him! The double-stop guitar at the beginning of the Wallflowers' "One Headlight" is him. He produced Brad Meldhau's (jazz pianist) last album. Meldhau said in an interview he happened to catch Brion at an L.A. club and the guy was playing a solo Beatles set on vibes! Meldhau said he had never heard such musicality before, and eventually hired him to be producer on his upcoming album.

And Devon, I apologize for getting a bit hot under the collar. No point in it, as you stated, I'm sure I read more into it than you'd intended. Fact is, I value your comments regarding sample libraries and instruments (since you seem to have every one that's worth mentioning -- except, as Squids noted, Sampletank ).

JD

Jon is really a genius. He does crazy stuff in his Largo shows. I sat in with him a couple of times. One time he gave me a plastic "Sampling" keyboard and said basically "go"! I had to solo with it so in order to TRY to keep up creatively I did a feedback solo with the plastic microphone. But, Jon is just brilliant and entertaining. I could go on and on about him. He likes to make up songs WITH lyrics right on the spot using napkin that was sent around the audience asking them to put down random words! I mean, come on! And they are good songs too!

One of my favorite things he does is simulating George Harrison-like backwards guitar licks. He does this on Fiona Apple albums which he produces. But, I saw him do it live and it is just hilarious. He even looks like he is going backwards!

It's good to hear more and more people learning about him. I met him before he moved to LA and he hired me to bring my Mellotron and other gear down to Tony Berg's studio because he was producing Aimee Mann's "Whatever" record. This record took YEARS to come out. But, it was the first time I saw how into this stuff he was. I remember him arguing with Tony's engineer (who had worked on Squeeze, Edie Brickell etc.) and the engineer thinking "Who IS this guy????". Now of course Jon is probably one of the most in demand session players/producers around. Good for him! He deserves it. The man BREATHES music.

Anyway...

[beanyles]

don't you guys hate it when threads take a left turn at some point and dont focus anymore on the original message????

anyways, thanks for the replys, i'm still looking for that sound

[markoos]

coz I can't find the right source either! Sounds like we have very similar tastes - you mentioned Luke Chable... I loved that loop behind the 'Ride' track by him & D. Bonnici did (not forgetting that amazing hook!)- incidentally, I found a very similar loop (the pattern is identical, but the content of a couple of the hits is slightly different) on a free CD showcasing 3am Recordings (came with iDJ mag in June or something).

You also mentioned the Echomen - one of their tracks had a particular snare sound I've been trying to track down for a while now... you know, its quite weird, last summer or something I was listening to one of the Digweed shows on Kiss (before they f**ked up the schedule...!) and he played this Echomen track ('Cure') and I was singing it in my head for ages before I realised I actually know/knew the singer, Cheb! He helped me out with my first set up (Applemac Quadra running Cubasis into an ESI32 - I had about ten midi tracks going into one midi channel I was like, Cheb, it keeps losing sync - help! and he came over and helped me get my head around it all... great bloke!)

I would ask him for some perc / loop pointers but I haven't seeen him in ages now, and the old number I have isn't his anymore... so the only thing I can do is sympathise, I mean, how many sample CDs do you buy before you get the right sound? but I will contact you by email if I ever find exactly what I'm looking for... maybe the new eLab thing in September will be close... good luck in your search!

markoos

[Scotty]

I purchased the group buy largely for the acoustic drum add on and the guitars which were holes that I needed to fill in my sample library and figured that sonic synth etc would provide some good sounds.

I own a Roland 6 CD sample library that is several years old now (cost over $1000.00 at that time) and I have converted it into several formats. I used to use Unity on the Mac and now I use mostly the Emagic exsp24 on the PC as I am on Cubase PC now. I convert the sample format over using chicken systems translator program and keep getting mileage out of the library.

I am curious as to how well the the Sonic Libraries convert into Emagic format (Mk1) Do the Imapped drums need sample tank or will I be able to use them in my sampler of choice (battery and EXSP24) Are the mappings special features that only Sample Tank can interpret or do they generalize to other formats namely battery or EXS24 (drums chokes won`t work in exsp24) . I don`t need the efx as I like to use my own effect processing from a creative standpoint. All I need is correct velocity, keymaps and adsr and a few above average sounds.

Does anyone know how many velocity layers are contained on the typical acoustic kit in the acoustic kit library add-on.


Also, if I need to buy sample 2 LE , is it legal for someone to sell me an unused legit copy which has not been registered. (EG if someone bought the 99 everthing upgrade for the extra libarires who already owned a legit version of Sample Tank or LE and whose second copy was redundant). Please don`t flame me on this , this is a genuine queery from someone who want to do the right thing on a stretched budget.

Any insight would be appreciated.

By the way I am enjoying this whole group buy process. Squids obvious enthusiasm for his products and willingness to engage others on this forum bodes well for future projects and has me checking ezsounds website; something I didn`t do previously . Even if I get the occasionally good sound out of this bundle it will be well worth it. The free shipping on a $99.00 U.S. product is a great value and made the difference for me.

Regards, Scott Harris - Canada